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UncleBuns said:
Still no testing? What's the hold up? Even your promo pricing doesn't beat competitors who test their products. Why would any intelligent person who wants to know what they are putting in their body buy your not well priced untested products?

Only a fool would buy from you until you test your products or give credit for customer testing.
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That's some tough love.
 
Ghoul said:
That's some tough love.
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MESO-Rx Administrator said:
The new guidance applies to new vendors. Obviously, many have already posted in the Steroid Underground subforum (and many other subforums) and have effectively been "grandfathered in".

However, I think we should expect (and pressure) everyone to provide lab testing for products given the relative ease and affordability of doing so thanks to services from @janoshik, @LAB4TOX, ChemTox, etc.

If compliance with these demands doesn't happen within a short period of time, the possibility is high that further restrictions will be implemented retroactively without notice.
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Millard said:
Every subforum is accessible.

You shouldn't really give a fuck what sources think about it. This isn't for them. It's for everyone else (who is not a source).
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Millard said:
There was nothing "harsh" about your post. My comment was merely a reaction to the idea that we should seek out source's input on how to keep them in check.

I know there is a lot of pandering to sources going on at several forums. MESO isn't the place for that. I want everyone to know that no one should be on their knees to placate sources on this forum. Allegiance to sources over the community is strongly discouraged. The driving imperative on this forum is to hold sources accountable.
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Millard said:
I think power has definitely shifted towards the end-users with the availability of affordable lab testing and sites like MESO to hold sources accountable for what's being sold. This approach has done a lot towards minimizing the harm of androgen black markets.
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Millard said:
I strongly encourage Members to hold all sources accountable. The best way to do that is to request, pressure, and demand (repeatedly and aggressively) that they conduct more lab testing on their products in the name of harm reduction.

I see absolutely no reason that anyone should discourage or otherwise prevent a Member from doing this under any circumstance. Anyone who defends sources against such requests is thwarting the community harm reduction efforts.

If there are any reasons, valid or not, that the source should not perform such analytical testing, the onus should be fully on the source to explain those reasons.

Sources should directly address the issue of refusing to perform lab tests (whether it's specific testing or frequency).

It is NOT the job of source sympathizers, sycophants, dickriders, etc. to defend the sources, represent the sources, or absolve the sources of any responsibility for not testing their products. Anyone who does this undermines the goals of a forum that prides itself on harm reduction.




Sources who extensively test their products provide a valuable harm reduction service. It's not nearly as valuable as independent member testing but does help hold them accountable.

But make no mistake, sources who lab test their products are doing so due to marketing pressures - it has become a cost of doing business required in the community. It is not an act of altruism but self-serving and profit-oriented.



We should appreciate members who contribute to lab testing at every level. But let's don't make it a moral issue or use it disparage or discredit those who are not in a position to spend money on testing.
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Millard said:
You do know that the whole point of the Steroid Underground subforum is to hold sources accountable, don't you?

That means asking/encouraging/pressuring/badgering/demanding that UGLs are fully accountable for their products and services.

This is done with harm reduction in mind because consumers, even those using black market androgens, deserve to know exactly what they are injecting into their body.

The increasing amount of analytical lab testing is one of the biggest achievements in the AAS harm reduction space. It's still not enough. UGLs can do better.

Expecting and demanding that UGLs do more testing should be the default mode for members here.

Contrary to the prevailing sentiment in a few source threads, this forum does NOT exist so members can bow down, kiss the ring, and promote/defend the sources (from "a business owners (sic) perspective") against customer criticisms of their products/services.

We could do better with more members "badgering" sources/UGLs to remain accountable with things like increased lab testing.

And fewer members posting their obsequious, sycophantic bullshit.
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Millard said:
Ummm. Why?

That's the entire point of the Steroid Underground subforum - holding sources accountable for level of source / quality of product and pressuring them to do better.

I don't expect sources to like it. In fact, they probably hate it.

Members should love it. And Members should continue to do it.
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Chrispowders is in no position to test anything.
How can he test? You would have to mail him the product that he sold you.

Then he would have to starve himself for a month to be able to afford the cost. Do you really want that for this poor guy
 
baxter0312 said:
Chrispowders is in no position to test anything.
How can he test? You would have to mail him the product that he sold you.

Then he would have to starve himself for a month to be able to afford the cost. Do you really want that for this poor guy
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Just offer full reimbursement for customer testing. Not credit on your next order cuz if it comes back shit no one is gonna want to make a next order but at least they'll be made whole.
 
AlexDavis43 said:
Just offer full reimbursement for customer testing. Not credit on your next order cuz if it comes back shit no one is gonna want to make a next order but at least they'll be made whole.
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I wanted to order HGH for a lot of money and asked him to test it if he would refund me this small amount in the large sum. It would have been a winning situation for both sides. But this Girl just said that he didn't need anything like that because all the customers were happy

He doesn't understand that no one is interested in his products. There are sources here that test at high speed
 
'Grandfathered in' before Admin set up the need to test products before setting up an intro is quite fitting (Chris Powers seems stuck in his ways on that's he's getting correct product so that should be enough). But this is Meso and the people that are diligent, inspired, and want innovation are always gonna press the sources to do more not only to get best quality product but also best businesses to work with that give the best service. also bc the desire to look/ feel / function best is an accomplishment that they can help the other to achieve. Win - Win
 
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