Thanks for your input.
I'm aware optimal testosterone levels are healthy.
I'm in the situation I am and I still want to try to get my levels up without TRT.
I'm aware it might not be possible and thanks for exmphasising it.
I still hope at leat for small, but nticeable imnprovement.
In fact, I look quite bad, dont have gyno, maybe a little pseudo-gyno, and a huge "beer gut".
My estradiol levels are prolly high, havn't measured yet.
I think, before I go to a dr i could measure estradiol (like i said, it's just a matetr of paying for the labs and you get the labs that you want, without a presciption, but estradiol costs much more than serum T so I haven't done it yet) and if it's too high, try to get it down with DIM?
Is DIM safe, meaning no side effects and no way to do any further harm?
I don't want to give the false impression that I think I am smarter than doctors, although I always do huge research on health topics, I obviously dont have their practice. On the other hand, I know, just on reading this forum that many doctors in the US aren't knowledgeable in TRT and male hormones, so it must be even more true for my coutry, where hardly anyone is on TRT.
anyway, I have found a good job recently and here's a potenail girlfriend on horizon after a huge period of 'silence', so I got more motivation now, lost 10 lbs in last 2 weeks, around 45 more to go.
I'll order a measurement of total T on my own in a month and then again in a while and assumign i'll do a significant progress with my weight loss, if there's not sufficient T raise and no real improvement in my ED/libido symptoms, I'll obviously do a fucll check up after finding a competent doctor.
In the meantime, assuming Prelox won't do shit, I think I'll rather ytake cialis when needed for 2-3 months, instead of finding the first random dr who will get me on TRT even thouh he has no idea about it.
I know pde-5 inhibitors sometimes don't work in hypogonadal men, but I expect it still to get me at least to an average sexual performance. I asked in this thread about the lowest dose, since Im just the kind of person who doesnt wan t to get the meds when not 100% needed.
BTW this thread is few months old, nowaday if I had to take cialis today, I'd probably take either 10 mg or divide 20 mg into 3. Some guy would just take the biggest dose of viagra after his first failed erection, as for me, I'm more cautious and slow so to say.
Also, I saw a guy posted (nvm his nickname, in fact he's a great contributor) who is on like 15 meds per day and 10 supplements.
I don't want to go to that direction. I also don't want to spend all life doing T and adjusting it, doing all the check ups and spending time on health forums.
For me, the perspective of being natural in the optimum range seems like something worth pursuing, so I'll just take the chance and do all my best now and not jump on TRT.. at least not yet.
In fact, something happened and brought me from 295 to 359, so who's to say I can't get it to eg. 500-550 ng/dl, with further supplementation, exercize and 45 lbs weight loss?
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