Coming off MENT weird sides

[Gr8shag]

Ok so normally I like to cycle with just test cyp 500 and MENT 50eod. I keep the test throughout the entire cycle obviously but I don't keep the MENT just because the long term consequences aren't well known. Anyway whenever I discontinue the MENT my acne breaks out in full force all over my body (chest, stomach, back, and a little on my face) and I also get frequent headaches. I'm wondering if anyone knows any details on the hormonal response from dropping MENT and running just test or any other info on why this shit always happens? Previously I thought that high estrogen was the cause of my acne because when I dropped the MENT I would also drop the letrozole however this time I kept my estrogen low on purpose to see if this was true so it must be something else because it's still happening. Any thoughts?

 

[Kgkle]

Get some bloods done sounds like your hormones are out of whack you can try taking the same so dosage for a while maybe you are having some kind of estrogen rebound. Idk it shouldn't happen if you are still on test tho. I'd get bloods done bro.

 

[TRT]

I'll get acne sometimes on the chest back from a a hormone change period weather they go up or down.

 

[LordSamuilo]

I'll get acne sometimes on the chest back from a a hormone change period weather they go up or down.

Yeah agreed , I notice the only time I get acne is when I drop doses to a cruise or when I first start blasting.. once I adjust my ai and give my hormones a minute to stabilize acne clears up .

Op you need to get bloods to really know whats going on , but the first thing that comes to mind is trestolone is infamous for how much it aromatizes . PROBABLY , when you're dropping the trest it causing a big fluctuation in your e2 and causing you to break out ...but take it for what its worth im not an endo and blood work is the only real answer you'll get !

 

[trestisbest]

There is absolutely no reason to run that much test with IM trest. All it is doing is adding more side effects. Next time, try dropping the test to a cruise dose, and then increasing the trest to 75 or 100mg EOD. Trest is so much more anabolic than test, so it really should be the focal point of your cycle.

 

[m314]

I agree with lowering the test. There's no need to up the trest dose if it's working well, though. 175 mg/week is plenty for me.

My next cycle will be 175 mg/week test prop, trest ace, and mast prop. I get better results from these low dose trest cycles than anything I've run before, and it's virtually side effect free for me at these doses.

 

[Apexvallen]

"Side effect free" means "I won't notice anything until ten years down the track". Never forget, MENT was designed as a male contraceptive.

 

[m314]

If trestolone makes me permanently sterile, I'm all for it. I'm 42 with absolutely no desire to become a father.

It was designed as a temporary male birth control drug. It didn't cause permanent sterility in any of the studies. People got their natural sperm production back when they quit taking it.

 

[Blkhrt]

There is absolutely no reason to run that much test with IM trest. All it is doing is adding more side effects. Next time, try dropping the test to a cruise dose, and then increasing the trest to 75 or 100mg EOD. Trest is so much more anabolic than test, so it really should be the focal point of your cycle.

im glad you posted it. you dont need to run any test with ment anyways, trest functions as a sex hormone by itself. cant imagine how much AI you need in OPs cycle, must have been aromatizing like a mfer. normally a TRT dose of test is reccomended with steroids that shut one down but with trest you might as well drop it entirely. it aromatizes enough that you wouldnt need to add it like you might need to with a low dose of nandrolone.

 

[Blkhrt]

"Side effect free" means "I won't notice anything until ten years down the track". Never forget, MENT was designed as a male contraceptive.

the rumor that it can permenently shut you down is crap. you can use any anabolic steroid as a male contraceptive, some are more suppressive mg per mg than others. what you are posting is not based in any real science or even anecdotal experience.

if everyone on steroid forums stopped parroting the uncited crap theyve read it would do alot to clear up the false info and bullshit floating around. to even use trestolone as a contraceptive you are supposed to also take depo-provira. please familiarize yourself with the compound in question before supplanting existing rumors

 

[Blkhrt]

If trestolone makes me permanently sterile, I'm all for it. I'm 42 with absolutely no desire to become a father.

It was designed as a temporary male birth control drug. It didn't cause permanent sterility in any of the studies. People got their natural sperm production back when they quit taking it.

all steroids are suppressive to some degree. I am not sure who started the permanent shutdown rumor but i wish i could find them and rap them on the skull a couple times.

 

[Blkhrt]

I agree with lowering the test. There's no need to up the trest dose if it's working well, though. 175 mg/week is plenty for me.

My next cycle will be 175 mg/week test prop, trest ace, and mast prop. I get better results from these low dose trest cycles than anything I've run before, and it's virtually side effect free for me at these doses.

just drop the test entirely while on ment. theres no point in running it, all it will do is contribute to estrogen and dht sides.

 

[m314]

just drop the test entirely while on ment. theres no point in running it, all it will do is contribute to estrogen and dht sides.

I've been on test year round since 2008. I've only kept it in my cycles at TRT doses out of habit. I might try my next trest cycle without it.

Trestolone is my favorite compound, and I've tried everything except some of the more toxic orals. I would choose trest over test if I had to pick one compound for the rest of my life. I would just prefer a longer ester if I was going to stay on a low dose long term.

 

[Apexvallen]

the rumor that it can permenently shut you down is crap. you can use any anabolic steroid as a male contraceptive, some are more suppressive mg per mg than others. what you are posting is not based in any real science or even anecdotal experience.

if everyone on steroid forums stopped parroting the uncited crap theyve read it would do alot to clear up the false info and bullshit floating around. to even use trestolone as a contraceptive you are supposed to also take depo-provira. please familiarize yourself with the compound in question before supplanting existing rumors

For starters, I never said it would permanently shut you down after use. Secondly, they're testing it right now to see how it affects the HPTA. But go inject whatever you want, its not my issue. But knowing why certain drugs are made can tell you a lot about it and I don't think its a bad thing to discuss as there's not a huge amount of literature out there about MENT so lets use what we have. Maybe it is perfectly safe for use to build muscle, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was developed for a specific purpose and saying that it wasn't is disingenuous and simply untrue. That pubmed study didn't use depo-provira btw so no, thats not essential for spermatogenesis suppression.

To evaluate this approach, the Council has proposed a proof-of-concept, randomized, two-center, comparative study to evaluate the safety and efficacy of MENT, either alone or in conjunction with single or multiple Depo Provera contraceptive injections over one year. The study is designed to evaluate the effects of three treatment options on sperm count in 50 subjects, in each of three groups (MENT implant; MENT plus a single injection of Depo Provera; and MENT plus injections of Depo Provera every third month).

http://www.popcouncil.org/research/ment-subdermal-implants-for-men

As a derivative of the anabolic steroid hormone nandrolone (19-nortestosterone), trestolone's viability as a male contraceptive via spermatogenesis suppression is ten-fold in comparison to testosterone

7 alpha-methyl-nortestosterone (MENT): the optimal androgen for male contraception. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Morefyah]

I think all the people that have never used trest but have an opinion on it need to stfu!
I have used It IM, orally, and even as a transdermal and they all work great as long as you have your estro dialed in.
A lot of the old heads here on meso will argue that it useless but have never used it or they have a friend that had to use 2.5mg of letro ed to control estrogen. Lol

 

[m314]

I don't understand the argument about trestolone lowering sperm count. No one here is talking about getting implants. Trest suppresses natural sperm production as much as other 19 nors like tren and deca. What would a trenbolone implant do to sperm levels while it's still in you? Injectable trest ace clears the body quickly, and sperm production is restored the same way as when you come off other AAS.

 

[m314]

I think all the people that have never used trest but have an opinion on it need to stfu!
I have used It IM, orally, and even as a transdermal and they all work great as long as you have your estro dialed in.
A lot of the old heads here on meso will argue that it useless but have never used it or they have a friend that had to use 2.5mg of letro ed to control estrogen. Lol

It's ridiculous how many times I've read that trest is like "chemical castration" used for sex offenders. Lol. I wonder how that got started. No amount of testosterone or any other compound boosts my sex drive and performance like trestolone.

I've mostly used injectable trest ace, but the oral version is fun. It's the best thing I've ever tried as a preworkout if I'm not already on a trest cycle.