comments on this DNP, Anavar + more cycle

JohanB

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Greetings fellow monsters!

This is my first post on this board and Im going to bore you with yet another long DNP thread.

Im having plans for my lab-rat "Super Mouse" this spring. I want him to loose a maximum amount of fat while keeping as much musclemass as possible within a tight schedule.

This rat of mine will compete with other rats to see, not whos got the nicest muscles but who is the strongest and he must stay within his weightclass.

Super Muse got his diet in check due to the fact that his God (that would be me then) is working hard at getting his PhD as a dietitian. No need to worry about that part then.

This is how Super Mouse will get an edge over his opponents this spring but we need comments on this so please feel free to shout if you see anything that looks whack and I shall try to explain.

W1: DNPII 200mgED, T3 25mcg ED, antihistamine ED, Anavar 30mg ED, Dianabol 10mg ED
W2: DNPII 200mgED, T3 25mcg ED, antihistamine ED, Anavar 30mg ED, Dianabol 10mg ED
W3: DNPII 200mgED, T3 25mcg ED, antihistamine ED, Anavar 30mg ED, Dianabol 10mg ED
W4: T3 25mcg ED (cycling down), antihistamine ED, Anavar 30mg ED, Dianabol 10mg ED
W5 W8: PCT

PCT

Day 1:80mg nolva
Day 2-7:40mg
V2 V4: 20mg

Cycling down the T3 W4:

M:12,5mcg ED
T:12,5mcg ED
W:12,5mcg ED
T:12,5mcg ED
F:6,25mcg ED
S: 6,25mcg ED
S:6,25mcg ED


Some of the supplements that will be used:

Glycerol
ALA around 500mg ED
Multi-vitamin/mineral 1 ED
Vitamin-C 2000mg ED
Vitamin-E 50mg ED
Potassium 750mg ED and/or after requierments
Magnesium 400mg ED
Zink 30mg ED
Caffein after requierments (might ad efedrine/MaHuang also, low dose to keep energy up)
Kalcium 1000mg ED
Pyruvate 3-6g ED
Liv-52


The reason for the low dose dianabol is that Super Mouse is an extremley sensetive mouse when it comes to hairloss and other androgenegic sideeffects. He does however want some sort of androgen in his body during this experiment so that he does not feel like a total shit all the time and still can get his mojo working.

We are also thinking about adding proviron at a dose of 25mg ED to inhibit SHBG and maybe get some androgenic benefit.

We might also ad rimonabant to combat hunger.

Some info about rimonabant:

"Effects of the cannabinoid-1 receptor blocker rimonabant on weight reduction and cardiovascular risk factors in overweight patients: 1-year experience from the RIO-Europe study.

Van Gaal LF, Rissanen AM, Scheen AJ, Ziegler O, Rossner S; RIO-Europe Study Group.

Department of Diabetology, Metabolism, and Clinical Nutrition, University Hospital Antwerp, Wilrijkstraat 10, 2650 Edegem-Antwerp, Belgium. luc.van.gall@uza.be

BACKGROUND: In animal models, cannabinoid-1 receptor (CB1) blockade produces a lean phenotype, with resistance to diet-induced obesity and associated dyslipidaemia. We assessed the effect of rimonabant, a selective CB1 blocker, on bodyweight and cardiovascular risk factors in overweight or obese patients. METHODS: patients with body-mass index 30 kg/m2 or greater, or body-mass index greater than 27 kg/m2 with treated or untreated dyslipidaemia, hypertension, or both, were randomised to receive double-blind treatment with placebo, 5 mg rimonabant, or 20 mg rimonabant once daily in addition to a mild hypocaloric diet (600 kcal/day deficit). The primary efficacy endpoint was weight change from baseline after 1 year of treatment in the intention-to-treat population. FINDINGS: Weight loss at 1 year was significantly greater in patients treated with rimonabant 5 mg (mean -3.4 kg [SD 5.7]; p=0.002 vs placebo) and 20 mg (-6.6 kg [7.2]; p<0.001 vs placebo) compared with placebo (-1.8 kg [6.4]). Significantly more patients treated with rimonabant 20 mg than placebo achieved weight loss of 5% or greater (p<0.001) and 10% or greater (p<0.001). Rimonabant 20 mg produced significantly greater improvements than placebo in waist circumference, HDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and insulin resistance, and prevalence of the metabolic syndrome. The effects of rimonabant 5 mg were of less clinical significance. Rimonabant was generally well tolerated with mild and transient side effects. INTERPRETATION: CB1 blockade with rimonabant 20 mg, combined with a hypocaloric diet over 1 year, promoted significant decrease of bodyweight and waist circumference, and improvement in cardiovascular risk factors."



There you have it, long post but I think I covered most of it.
English is not my first language so just ignore any spelling and/or grammar errors, now flame away! :o
 
I don't think that t3 is necessary while on dnp, because its so powerful by itself. Also, the aas might be a waste of money while on dnp because you won't gain
 
some people like to throw in come t3 if they are going more than 1 week with dnp. you will def notice ur body warm back up QUICKLY! as long as u keep it under 50mgs a day, u really will not need to cycle down because u are using it to replace ur bodies own supply while on. oce ur done, ur body will start producing it again almost instantly.
 
gvc3k said:
I don't think that t3 is necessary while on dnp, because its so powerful by itself. Also, the aas might be a waste of money while on dnp because you won't gain


The T3 is mainly there to give an anabolic edge, not to increase the amount of calories burned although it will help with that as well.

I do not plan on gaining anything when it comes to muscle and/or strength. I plan on keeping as much strength as posible while reducing BF quite a bit.



Big Bench: Yeah, Ive been thinking about if I really should cycle the T3 down. It has more to do with my diet then anything at this moment. I will increase the amount of calories I eat slowly as I decrease the amount of T3, this should give a nice and smooth turnover going from an extrem diet to eating more normal.
 
one thing that no one plans on is what to do after the cycle. i love the glycogen bounce back. i still eat clean but i carb load and it is easy to put on 5-10lbs and u will look so full by the time ur done
 
Yeah, planing what to do after a cycle is of most importance. You do not want to waste what you just gained (or as in this case, lost).

Besides the T3, can you see anything that looks out of place?

Anybody else that want to comment this, H?
 
the whole cycle looks to me like your begging for a heart attack - DNP,T3, and antihistamine? WTF?

T3 without test in there is a good way to burn away hard built muscle mass

DNP is the most dangerous thing out there IMO

and then add var and d-bol? I just dont understand this whole stack at all - to me it is poorly thought out and there is no reason for this mix of chems

NOW I AGREE WITH MANWHORE - I would run tren alone before messing with this stack - btw tren alone would do what you want if I understand your goals right

test prop and tren a would be even better and wont kill you like the above mix

test prop/ tren a / Masteron - that is what I would do
 
No problems bro. Just want some honest views on this and thats exactly what you gave me.

Let me explain why I have those things in there.

If you ask me, you should never do an DNP cycle without doing a antihistamine from day one. This is to combat histamine buildup and prevent an allregic reaction. I dont understand why people wait until they get rashes and shit before they do some sort of a antihistamine. Ive seen some really bad allergic reactions, almost lost my brother twice because of it and hes poping antihistamines like candy. Hes got no problems with it (yepp, he
sees a doctor quite often). I do understand the risks with it tough but my mouse will be using a regular H1 antagonist, nothing heavy.

The T3 dosage is low, 40mg aas ED should have no problem compensating for it. The muscle my mosue will loose (cause it will happen) is more likley to come from the low intake of calories (weight stands still att 4000+kcal a day and he will be going as low as 2000kcal ED).

I have tought about dropping the T3 though.

Why var and d-bol? Because super mosue is extreamly sensitive when it comes to androgenic sideeffects. The var will compensate somewhat for the muscleloss and the d-bol is only there so that the androgenlevels dont crash totally making super mouse feel like a total dick all the time.

Supermouse is not sure yet if he should do this and you can bet hes thinking about other, more healthy options.
 
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The following answer is written in swedish...

Tror knappast att du kommer få några konstruktiva svar här. Nivån är ganska låg. Jag kan definitivt förstå ditt resonemang och eftersom sköldkörteln blir mindre aktiv vid användning av DNP = lägre nivåer av t-3, är detta antagligen ingen dum idé.

Är personligen dock skeptisk till DNP (även om jag måste erkänna att jag också är lockad) men det är naturligtvis upp till dig...

Om du ska ligga på 50 % av ditt vanliga kaloriintag och ta DNP, kommer 10 mg dbol knappast att rädda ditt sexliv. Du kan nog lägga ned det under de 4 veckorna tyvärr.. Möjligen med hjälp av Cialis eller Viagra men du måste fortfarande förklara för flickan du träffar varför din svett, sperma (go rocco it´s your birthday:) är gulaktig.... Vet inte om det blir så för alla men i vart fall de jag konverserat med på nätet.
 
Det finns ngra hr med gedigna kunskaper, drfr vill jag se om man skaka fram ngot vettigt. Tror dock att jag har strre kunskaper om DNP n de flesta av jnkarna hr :)

samma bateman frn PB/BM?
 
Yes

Ja det verkar som du lst p.

Personligen har jag lst allt jag hittat p ntet och kan fortfarande inte avgra om DNP potentiellt skulle kunna orsaka cancer eller inte ?

Reggade mig p Bodymass men har inte kollat dr p lnge...
Mste kolla lite, dags att rycka upp sig...
 
I agree with deacon....He knows his shit and when I read your original post..I said to my self good god....no need to do that bullshit...way to much for what you want..way too much...first...I never will recommend DNP to anyone...sure it works but, I will never recommend it.....Im confused to what you really want....hate to say it bro...I am being honest and dont mean to be rude, but you are out of the realms of safety and reality.....

so drop all the bullshit threads above and tell me what you really want..what are you after....
 
The cycle above is just an experiment in my mind at the moment. Im having serious doubts if my mouse ever will do this. I have done my homework for years when it comes to DNP. Ive got the knowledge.

The main goal for this cycle is: loosing a maximum amount of fat in the shortest timespan possible while trying to retain as much strength as possible. My mouse has a PL comp. this fall and need to stay within his weightclass. As you can see this is just a small part of a long term plan.

Why loose so much fat in such a short time? Well, it could be done going natural, no problems. My mouse has done it before but it takes to long and takes away to much time gaining strength (that means bulking up).

If this cycle was based on 200mg DNP ED "only", would you have reacted the same way?

Not trying to piss you guys off here, just trying to explain why this cycle looks like it does.

There is no need trying to get me changing my mind since Im having serius doubts about this myself. Alternatives would be nice though.
 
t3 clen and a good diet and training regimen...will work..maybe even doing a small cycle such as prop and tren or prop and var..
 
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