200mg is a very generous trt dose. my natural test is only 300-400ng/dl (I've done what I can to optimize it trough diet, sleep and supplementation but it doesn't go above this), 200mg would already put me at like 3x my natural test
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Anabolic Steroids
Could I blast for 6months straight as a first cycle?
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Spaceman Spiff
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why are we crucifying you?
Because you don't do any research on your own, you are asking to be spoon fed information.
you don't know what you are doing at all. you should stick to a starter cycle of 300-400 weeks but you are somehow convinced that isnt long enough to see any changes.
You are somehow different than all of us. Then you are comparing yourself to much bigger and experienced bodybuilders
brutalbuilt
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yeah high level advanced bodybuilders with tons of muscle tissue do that..
your small with no muscle its not necessary... get big first
20 weeks max then cruise until next cycle..
oh yeah and sarms are fucking trash
Astartes
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^^ Above. These guys are pointing you in a smart direction. You will be shocked by progress with solid diet and moderate PEDs on 12-14 weeks.
I do 4-6 months cycles. I have been doing this (not 4-6 months cycles) 21 years. The dynamics of why I do this are numerous and would go over your head.
What you need to know out the gate as you educate yourself is that your body will not likely tolerate prolonged use well without significant side effects.
Listen to the people you turned to. They are not trying to hold you back. Quite the opposite
I do 4-6 months cycles. I have been doing this (not 4-6 months cycles) 21 years. The dynamics of why I do this are numerous and would go over your head.
What you need to know out the gate as you educate yourself is that your body will not likely tolerate prolonged use well without significant side effects.
Listen to the people you turned to. They are not trying to hold you back. Quite the opposite
Grey Spartan
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Yes.
However, I do not think you have what it takes to do a six month first cycle.
First you would need baseline blood work (this knocks 80% of people wanting to do gear the safe and sane way out). Second (after reading your other posts) you would have to drop some weight (when you exhale and flex your abs you should see they exist, think a two pack lol). And lastly, you would need to start low at like 150mg a week test for 4 weeks, get blood work (we just knocked out another 10%), then go up by 50mg a week for another 4 weeks and then get blood work again. Rinse and repeat.
The goal would be to see how you convert estrogen, how you body responds to drugs and how you mentally handle the drugs.
You do you, but don't underestimate the power of a good diet, consistent training and solid data on how your body reacts to even the smallest amount of drugs.
However, I do not think you have what it takes to do a six month first cycle.
First you would need baseline blood work (this knocks 80% of people wanting to do gear the safe and sane way out). Second (after reading your other posts) you would have to drop some weight (when you exhale and flex your abs you should see they exist, think a two pack lol). And lastly, you would need to start low at like 150mg a week test for 4 weeks, get blood work (we just knocked out another 10%), then go up by 50mg a week for another 4 weeks and then get blood work again. Rinse and repeat.
The goal would be to see how you convert estrogen, how you body responds to drugs and how you mentally handle the drugs.
You do you, but don't underestimate the power of a good diet, consistent training and solid data on how your body reacts to even the smallest amount of drugs.
narta
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No one is saying that. If someone does, he is fucking retarded and a liar
Thank you very much for your respinse.
I was only thinking about this and wasn't even close to starting a cycle yet, obviously I was gonna get leaner first and then think about.
You can do longer cycles as a male, as long as your blood work is good, you are able to train and eat, and you are still responding. @Grey Spartan hit the nail on the head to be honest.
With more experience you can successfully run long cycles, but first time around you will struggle to do it effectively.
The goal of the first cycle should be to put on as much muscle as possible, and learn how to control your estrogen. Right now if you take too much testosterone then you’ll have a bad time, because you won’t know if you have high or low estrogen.
With more experience you can successfully run long cycles, but first time around you will struggle to do it effectively.
The goal of the first cycle should be to put on as much muscle as possible, and learn how to control your estrogen. Right now if you take too much testosterone then you’ll have a bad time, because you won’t know if you have high or low estrogen.
alright, thanks guys. when I eventually do a cycle I'll just stick to 12-16weeks test only.
Astartes
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Nice to see a new member listen to wisdom. Too many fools who ask questions and have minds made up already. Good on you OP
readalot
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She's not coming.
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TurboJet
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Shit first time? Blast at least 500 Test Cyp and 400 Tren E EOD and toss in some Var after a week or two. Maybe some Primo to help control estrogen if your tits start bugging you.
OmL
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Well my first cycle was 250mg test C every 3.5 days fur 20 weeks. It was considered the beginners cycle back when I started.
malfeasance
Well-known Member
You are starting from this incorrect premise.
If you get your diet sorted out properly, which is where most fail, and your training is intense, you will be drastically different before and after in a 12 week period.
Significant changes in 12 weeks require more than just injecting hormones. You also need the right stimulus (training) and nutrition.
1) diet, 2) training, and 3) hormones. If any of those three things are not 100%, then your results will not be 100%.
lukiss96
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I always said it and I'll say it again, if I were to do my first cycle again with my current knowledge, I would do 300mg Test only per week for 12-16 weeks depends on how well I respond and handle it.
As unpopular as my opinion stands, I believe that first cycle/blast is were you get the maximum out of minimum (dosage wise), not effort. Diet and training as always the key to success.
More is not better until it's necessary. Save it for later, that's if you want to advance further. First cycle is basic shit at it's best.
As unpopular as my opinion stands, I believe that first cycle/blast is were you get the maximum out of minimum (dosage wise), not effort. Diet and training as always the key to success.
More is not better until it's necessary. Save it for later, that's if you want to advance further. First cycle is basic shit at it's best.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
I feel like even if their diet is "okay", FIRST cycle will have remarkable changes.
OP just seems to be in a rush/special snowflake.
Cereal masturbator
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Have you considered 6 months of MENT ? Not a good idea for you personally, but for humanity and the passing of quality genes it may be a route to explore brother ?
Liter O' Test
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dont take sarms orals or hgh
first do TRT at like 900 ng/dl get bloodwork to see how you convert to estrogen
and see if you breakout in acne or get gyno.
while you are doing this, do research to understand what health markers are impacted by steroids and how to mitigate them and make your own decision
first do TRT at like 900 ng/dl get bloodwork to see how you convert to estrogen
and see if you breakout in acne or get gyno.
while you are doing this, do research to understand what health markers are impacted by steroids and how to mitigate them and make your own decision
Now that I have been on gear for 8 years this is what I would do looking back
Not common first cycle advice but this is in hind sight now
Start with test only and milk it for as long as you can. Find the dose where you get little to no sides and don't need Ai. Most likely 10 weeks minimum
run that aslong as you can until you plateau and the scale stops going up
at that point add in another short ester compound with the same idea as low as possible before sides kick in. Run the second compound for another 8 - 12 weeks and when you plateau again go down to your trt cruise dose
you should be massive by that time assuming diet and training were 100% like they should be if you are considering gear
example test at 400mg a week for 10 weeks minimum
plateau
add in npp at 50 - 75 mg eod for 8 to 12 weeks
cruise
Not common first cycle advice but this is in hind sight now
Start with test only and milk it for as long as you can. Find the dose where you get little to no sides and don't need Ai. Most likely 10 weeks minimum
run that aslong as you can until you plateau and the scale stops going up
at that point add in another short ester compound with the same idea as low as possible before sides kick in. Run the second compound for another 8 - 12 weeks and when you plateau again go down to your trt cruise dose
you should be massive by that time assuming diet and training were 100% like they should be if you are considering gear
example test at 400mg a week for 10 weeks minimum
plateau
add in npp at 50 - 75 mg eod for 8 to 12 weeks
cruise
bigpoppachump2
Well-known Member
If you don’t plan to go straight to trt afterwards then no that’s a bad idea if you wanna try to recover your natural test levels.
Secondly the reason most people suggest 10 to 16 weeks for cycle duration has much to do with diminishing returns after the 10th week. That magical period starting around week 4 starts to taper off around week 10 for me on longer cycles. The thinking has always been, why keep running your body into the ground if the results don’t warrant it so take what you got and come back in 3 months and start again.
Secondly the reason most people suggest 10 to 16 weeks for cycle duration has much to do with diminishing returns after the 10th week. That magical period starting around week 4 starts to taper off around week 10 for me on longer cycles. The thinking has always been, why keep running your body into the ground if the results don’t warrant it so take what you got and come back in 3 months and start again.
