Crashed E2 - EQ

[ngolo28999]

Long story short:

I added EQ to my current test E cycle 2 month ago... I was running a 350 mg EW, and decided to frontload 1.6 g of EQ for the first 2 weeks(stupid). Didn't really think about possibilities of crashing my E2 at the time.... Since then i have upped my test dose to 600 MG EW, and my current EQ dose is 1 g EW.

For the last 3 weeks i have been felling like absolute dog shit.

Depression, No motivation, Loss of appetite, Joint hurts... I can't look girls in the eyes, definitely due to anxiety. The worst part of it all is loss of libido. No sex drive at all, haven't beat my meat in a week, and don't fell horny at all, felling castrated.



Decided to get bloodwork last week, and the E2 came back at: 19.0 pmol/L.

Anyone who have crashed their E2, and have good methods to bring it up quickly?

Some people suggest taking DBOL or raise the Test dose, others say HCG.

 

[BawlsDeep]

taking DBOL or raise the Test dose, others say HCG.

These are all good. Also if u have test sans ester, give that a go. And obviously drop the eq til u feel better.

I always suggest people start new compounds with short esters so they can clear it out quick should their mood go tits up from a bad reaction. Food for thought when you run a new compound.

 

[ngolo28999]

These are all good. Also if u have test sans ester, give that a go. And obviously drop the eq til u feel better.

I always suggest people start new compounds with short esters so they can clear it out quick should their mood go tits up from a bad reaction. Food for thought when you run a new compound.

Any suggestions on DBOL dose and for how long?

 

[All Nats McGee]

20mg dbol for a week should be good. But more importantly I would drop the EQ or replace it with something else.

 

[ngolo28999]

20mg dbol for a week should be good. But more importantly I would drop the EQ or replace it with something else.

Yeah definitely not running it again, might replace it with DHB in future blast.

 

[Type-IIx]

How long had you been running 350 mg test weekly at the point of initiating the EQ front-load?

 

[ngolo28999]

How long had you been running 350 mg test weekly at the point of initiating the EQ front-load?

Started my Test and Tren blast 3 Month before deciding to add in the EQ. So was on 350 test for over 3 month before adding in the EQ.

 

[Type-IIx]

Started my Test and Tren blast 3 Month before deciding to add in the EQ. So was on 350 test for over 3 month before adding in the EQ.

Wow, long blast. 1.6 g EQ x 2 week frontload alone extends the blast by, like, months. Shit, you'll still have EQ in your system 12 weeks post-bolus, that's 6 months on blast already.

 

[lukiss96]

Eq and low e2 the more I hear it the more I believe it's just a damn myth...

Never changes anything for me in regards to estrogen control. Maybe people experiencing this have some imbalances even without eq/mast/primo.

 

[Jin23]

Wow, long blast. 1.6 g EQ x 2 week frontload alone extends the blast by, like, months. Shit, you'll still have EQ in your system 12 weeks post-bolus, that's 6 months on blast already.

Still don't understand why everybody using eq instead of bold c ...

 

[All Nats McGee]

Eq and low e2 the more I hear it the more I believe it's just a damn myth...

Never changes anything for me in regards to estrogen control. Maybe people experiencing this have some imbalances even without eq/mast/primo.

EQ is trash and def converts mostly to E1. Stick to the the newest and most refined compounds like anavar and primo.

 

[ngolo28999]

Still don't understand why everybody using eq instead of bold c ...

What's the difference, other than difference easter?

 

[Jin23]

What's the difference, other than difference easter?

Just that, a short half life. Many sources carry it now. Using something that has as long of a half life as eq is totally unpractical. 14 day half life? The moment you stop pining, in a month's time, there is still more then half the amount in your system; so presuming a 1000mg dose, you'll have like 600 mg's in you 1 month after pin.

 

[lukiss96]

Still don't understand why everybody using eq instead of bold c ...

I see some advantages for myself.

1. I can only inject it once a week.
2. There is not a significant drop of drug all of a sudden like shorter esters. Causes acne for me. I can control it better and my body adapts. I also don't need to taper down like medium esters.
3. I tolerate it well so I'm not afraid of unexpected side effects.
4. I blast and cruise. Now, I blast with moderate amounts only. So I don't care if it takes long time to exit my body, I don't pct.
5. It's the original. Some things just work better as they were created. I believe equipoise is the one.

P.S. the above is my personal opinion and my beliefs. Not forcing it down to others.

 

[Jin23]

I see some advantages for myself.

1. I can only inject it once a week.
2. There is not a significant drop of drug all of a sudden like shorter esters. Causes acne for me. I can control it better and my body adapts. I also don't need to taper down like medium esters.
3. I tolerate it well so I'm not afraid of unexpected side effects.
4. I blast and cruise. Now, I blast with moderate amounts only. So I don't care if it takes long time to exit my body, I don't pct.
5. It's the original. Some things just work better as they were created. I believe equipoise is the one.

P.S. the above is my personal opinion and my beliefs. Not forcing it down to others.

I'd say it doesn't matter that much if you bc or cycle. When you, who b&c's, decides to end the cycle, and thus stops pinning EQ, you'll in reality be on cycle for the next 5 half life's of EQ, which is 70 days; 2 whole months. So this is also unhealthy, having cycles that long, bc or not, it doesn't matter.

 

[lukiss96]

I'd say it doesn't matter that much if you bc or cycle. When you, who b&c's, decides to end the cycle, and thus stops pinning EQ, you'll in reality be on cycle for the next 5 half life's of EQ, which is 70 days; 2 whole months. So this is also unhealthy, having cycles that long, bc or not, it doesn't matter.

True, but I use reasonably moderate doses and I don't see the need to go above 300-400mg for my goals. So for me I believe in 3 half lives I get to the point where the amount of equipoise is not causing harm. Also as mentioned for me cypionate ester is still too fast and drastic drop of the drug results in acne. So all in all, for me it's beneficial and overall worth it. For others I can't comment.

I used to believe I hate tren in any form, but after someone convinced me to try hex. I got it at good price and good quality, thought this is gonna be shittest possible cycle ever... turns out, hex was the shit and I got all the effects from tren without mental, sleep and other common tren sides. I never abused so no it wasn't that my doses with ace or enth were high. Turns out old time broffesor at the gym was right lol.

Same with boldenone undecylenate, I just think I do well with longer esters. At the end of the day, everybody is different.

 

[ngolo28999]

Eq and low e2 the more I hear it the more I believe it's just a damn myth...

Never changes anything for me in regards to estrogen control. Maybe people experiencing this have some imbalances even without eq/mast/primo.

I guess people are different. Never had issues controlling estrogen on any other compounds, as soon as I added EQ my estrogen dropped like crazy.

 

[All Nats McGee]

It’s funny how people still use this old compound. Only place it belongs is in the bin.

 

[Type-IIx]

Eq and low e2 the more I hear it the more I believe it's just a damn myth...

Never changes anything for me in regards to estrogen control. Maybe people experiencing this have some imbalances even without eq/mast/primo.

This post initially indicates otherwise (it seems to validate the "EQ crashes E2" trope), but then you see this sort of insane front-load and cycle length and you really have to start thinking about other contributing factors (what other unusual factors might be present that aren't mentioned).

At the very least, such a load dose might just saturate aromatase (subject to Michaelis-Menten kinetics, Κm = 1.83nM), such that the testosterone is irrelevant (it's essentially pushed off the aromatase enzymes by this massive EQ bolus).

 

[Type-IIx]

Still don't understand why everybody using eq instead of bold c ...

I think it's a matter of PIP. I just won't touch boldenone ever again, hate the shit.