Crashed E2 - EQ

[All Nats McGee]

True, but I use reasonably moderate doses and I don't see the need to go above 300-400mg for my goals. So for me I believe in 3 half lives I get to the point where the amount of equipoise is not causing harm. Also as mentioned for me cypionate ester is still too fast and drastic drop of the drug results in acne. So all in all, for me it's beneficial and overall worth it. For others I can't comment.

I used to believe I hate tren in any form, but after someone convinced me to try hex. I got it at good price and good quality, thought this is gonna be shittest possible cycle ever... turns out, hex was the shit and I got all the effects from tren without mental, sleep and other common tren sides. I never abused so no it wasn't that my doses with ace or enth were high. Turns out old time broffesor at the gym was right lol.

Same with boldenone undecylenate, I just think I do well with longer esters. At the end of the day, everybody is different.

Everyone does well with long esters because of stable blood levels. I always recommend to first timers with tren to use tren e and not ace. Ace is so fast especially in mct the ups and downs are insane thats why there’s so many sides effects. Way less with tren e. The community has it backwards and should start to steer people away from ace.

 

[Type-IIx]

I see some advantages for myself.

1. I can only inject it once a week.
2. There is not a significant drop of drug all of a sudden like shorter esters. Causes acne for me. I can control it better and my body adapts. I also don't need to taper down like medium esters.
3. I tolerate it well so I'm not afraid of unexpected side effects.
4. I blast and cruise. Now, I blast with moderate amounts only. So I don't care if it takes long time to exit my body, I don't pct.
5. It's the original. Some things just work better as they were created. I believe equipoise is the one.

P.S. the above is my personal opinion and my beliefs. Not forcing it down to others.

Good reasoning bro.

 

[All Nats McGee]

Good reasoning bro.

You’re being sarcastic right? EQ is old there’re so many more refined anabolic compounds out there.

 

[Type-IIx]

You’re being sarcastic right? EQ is old there’re so many more refined anabolic compounds out there.

Nah not sarcastic - it works for him, I try not to let my own experience with EQ cloud my judgment. I know some handle it very well (even women tend to do very well on it, probably because of different estrogen profiles, i.e., higher E1).

I agree with you and share the view of EQ as a low quality anabolic, but at least on paper, you can argue it's a higher quality anabolic than Primo (despite its commercial availability for human use). This is because Primo or Rimobolan has been rejected in most regulatory environments for failing ADMET & Drug Safety Profiling under the GSK 4/400 Rule, Pfizer 3/75 Rule (logP), & Lilly Med Chem Rules; while EQ respects the GSK 4/400 Rule. It's also more potently muscle anabolic.

 

[Jin23]

True, but I use reasonably moderate doses and I don't see the need to go above 300-400mg for my goals. So for me I believe in 3 half lives I get to the point where the amount of equipoise is not causing harm. Also as mentioned for me cypionate ester is still too fast and drastic drop of the drug results in acne. So all in all, for me it's beneficial and overall worth it. For others I can't comment.

I used to believe I hate tren in any form, but after someone convinced me to try hex. I got it at good price and good quality, thought this is gonna be shittest possible cycle ever... turns out, hex was the shit and I got all the effects from tren without mental, sleep and other common tren sides. I never abused so no it wasn't that my doses with ace or enth were high. Turns out old time broffesor at the gym was right lol.

Same with boldenone undecylenate, I just think I do well with longer esters. At the end of the day, everybody is different.

For sure. But have you tried pining cypionate 2 x a week or even 3x?

 

[Jin23]

I think it's a matter of PIP. I just won't touch boldenone ever again, hate the shit.

Anxiety?

I actually felt good on low dose boldenone (100mg) added to 1200 ngdl test. It felt fairly androgenic, but in a good way; similar to dbol. I presume it's a different story in higher dosages. Downside for me were acne on the shoulders. I remember taking 1ad once in the past, I broke out like nothing else on that, very similar to boldenone (makes sense as they share the same metabolite).

 

[All Nats McGee]

Nah not sarcastic - it works for him, I try not to let my own experience with EQ cloud my judgment. I know some handle it very well (even women tend to do very well on it, probably because of different estrogen profiles, i.e., higher E1).

I agree with you and share the view of EQ as a low quality anabolic, but at least on paper, you can argue it's a higher quality anabolic than Primo (despite its commercial availability for human use). This is because Primo or Rimobolan has been rejected in most regulatory environments for failing ADMET & Drug Safety Profiling under the GSK 4/400 Rule, Pfizer 3/75 Rule (logP), & Lilly Med Chem Rules; while EQ respects the GSK 4/400 Rule. It's also more potently muscle anabolic.

All I’m saying is EQ is an old and there are much more refined anabolics out there. No reason it should used anymore.

Where on paper is EQ a higher quality anabolic than primo? On meso over the years it shows to be quite the opposite. But I don’t know if you mean in terms of side effects to anabolic effect.

 

[Type-IIx]

Anxiety?

I actually felt good on low dose boldenone (100mg) added to 1200 ngdl test. It felt fairly androgenic, but in a good way; similar to dbol. I presume it's a different story in higher dosages. Downside for me were acne on the shoulders. I remember taking 1ad once in the past, I broke out like nothing else on that, very similar to boldenone (makes sense as they share the same metabolite).

PIP, post-injection pain. Supposed to be awful with bold cyp and more frequent injections make for a bad time.

 

[Type-IIx]

All I’m saying is EQ is an old and there are much more refined anabolics out there. No reason it should used anymore.

Where on paper is EQ a higher quality anabolic than primo? On meso over the years it shows to be quite the opposite. But I don’t know if you mean in terms of side effects to anabolic effect.

Its respecting the GSK 4/400 Rule vs. Primo's not (speaking to ADMET [absorption/distribution/metabolism/excretion/toxicity] profile), and its being more muscle anabolic than Primo per-mg (given its aromatization [systemic mitogenic effects of IGF-I] & AR transactivation potency > Primo's).

That speaks to anabolic quality, on paper.

My n=1 disputes this, given the acnea, anxiety, total intolerability. But I recognize this is just an anecdote, I don't apply my experience to judging it in someone else's shoes (lukiss certainly tolerates it better than I do).

It's quite possible we're looking at it through our own experience, seeing pretty ampoules of Rimobolan versus dirty jugs of horse medicine, and judging it as low quality as a result.

 

[Jin23]

PIP, post-injection pain. Supposed to be awful with bold cyp and more frequent injections make for a bad time.

Hm, there was a bit pip, but nothing awful ...

 

[Demondosage]

Lower equipoise to 600/wk and give it about another week or so and you should feel better. I just went through this exact same issue myself with equipoise. You don’t need to drop it, just lower it

 

[ngolo28999]

Lower equipoise to 600/wk and give it about another week or so and you should feel better. I just went through this exact same issue myself with equipoise. You don’t need to drop it, just lower it

Yeah, started to raise the test dose and added in some dbol. If i don't fell better at the end of the week, then i might lower the EQ.

 

[lukiss96]

For sure. But have you tried pining cypionate 2 x a week or even 3x?

Cypionate never 1x a week. I only do it 2x.