Crashing My E2 Almost Ruined My Life

[bama_barbell1014]

While nearing the end of my cycle of 750 Test Enth/ wk, I ended up taking too much aromasin (12.5 eod!). I know it doesn't seem like much, but for some reason this crashed my E2 very hard. Maybe my AI is overdosed, IDK, but bloods came back at below 10.

I have never been so out of whack. The DHT rage that you get when you crash your E2 is almost uncontrollable. I lost it on my family multiple times, and I would find myself getting dangerously angry about absolutely nothing. I also had absolutely no appetite, and I felt like I was constantly depressed and hung over. Absolutely no energy what so ever.

Long story short, for the week and a half that my E2 was in the gutter, I almost lost my career and my wife, because of the way I acted. I was an emotional roller coaster. I'm pretty stable minded, and am not used to dealing with emotional distress like that. But I'm here to tell you. Be very careful with your estrogen control. Too much E2 is better than too little, although its ideal to get it in the normal range 20-30. Get bloods done until you get your dosage right, and don't settle for guess work. If you do, you could end up like me, except not be so lucky. Steroids are no joke, and anyone who does them needs to use them responsibly. And that means getting bloods, and not going overboard on dosages and estrogen control. START SMALL 12.5 MG EVERY 3 TO 4 DAYS AND THEN INCREASE FREQUENCY AS NEEDED. YOU CAN ONLY KNOW THIS BY PULLING A SENSITIVE ESTRADIOL BLOOD TEST.

Most of you guys already know this, but I just wanted to revisit the dangers of crashing your Estradiol. Its nothing to play around with, and nothing to be taken lightly.

 

[Grrrr]

Even 12.5mg every 3 or 4 days can crash people's estrogen. That is why a lot of people recommend that you only start ai when you you get high E2 symptoms.
I had E2 <5 for years because my body just doesn't like producing that shit. It never made me be an asshole to my family. Don't use the hormones as an excuse. That would be an atypical symptom of low E2. Crashed E2 sucks either way though.

 

[TheBeat]

Even 12.5mg every 3 or 4 days can crash people's estrogen. That is why a lot of people recommend that you only start ai when you you get high E2 symptoms.
I had E2 <5 for years because my body just doesn't like producing that shit. It never made me be an asshole to my family. Don't use the hormones as an excuse. That would be an atypical symptom of low E2. Crashed E2 sucks either way though.

I once took one shot of tren and got a felony because of it... just kidding, never happened. We're in control, or should be, of our actions. Things can make us more irritated, tired, etc but we should still control our decisions, it just can become harder- but there's no denying that.

Labs are so important to understand how these compounds effect us. I'm all about regular labs but people need to at least do them enough to see the results of what they do- kinda like weighing food, I think everyone should do it for a few days for a lifetime of reference. Also I see people chasing numbers like "I like my e2 at 20" when it should be dependant on effects and percentages. I don't usually share my doses or make recommendations on AI dose as I need to take far more than most, while (obviously) others can crash theirs on a dose that barely puts a dent in mine.

 

[bama_barbell1014]

Even 12.5mg every 3 or 4 days can crash people's estrogen. That is why a lot of people recommend that you only start ai when you you get high E2 symptoms.
I had E2 <5 for years because my body just doesn't like producing that shit. It never made me be an asshole to my family. Don't use the hormones as an excuse. That would be an atypical symptom of low E2. Crashed E2 sucks either way though.

Atypical? Really? I've always read that low e2 can cause rage, and I know for a fact that what I felt was abnormal and very hard to control. Everyone is different, but I know how I felt. I do agree with you about only using an AI if you need it, because I think a lot of people overuse AI's.


Here are a list of symptoms i got from Dh15

ow estrogen sides Dry skin, dry lips, dehydration, loss of libido, good morning wood no wood when its time for sex, loss of wood while having sex, loss of sensitivity, dry gland (penis), white gland, loss of girth, irritability, mood swings, crying for no reason, dht rage (aggression you take out on others), dull orgasm, hesitation just before urinating, night sweats, loss of appetite, constant fatigue, lethargy, constipation (due to dehydration), diuretic effect (pissing more water than you are consuming), itchy scalp, obsessive thoughts

*Taken from GH15

 

[bama_barbell1014]

I once took one shot of tren and got a felony because of it... just kidding, never happened. We're in control, or should be, of our actions. Things can make us more irritated, tired, etc but we should still control our decisions, it just can become harder- but there's no denying that.

Labs are so important to understand how these compounds effect us. I'm all about regular labs but people need to at least do them enough to see the results of what they do- kinda like weighing food, I think everyone should do it for a few days for a lifetime of reference. Also I see people chasing numbers like "I like my e2 at 20" when it should be dependant on effects and percentages. I don't usually share my doses or make recommendations on AI dose as I need to take far more than most, while (obviously) others can crash theirs on a dose that barely puts a dent in mine.

We are in control yes, but we still need to be responsible about our usage of these substances, because our emotions and hormones are part of what makes us unique, and influences how we act, and if you get things out of balance, you can find yourself making decisions based more of emotions than intelligent decision. (Women) lol

Very true that we are in control, but shit can get really rough when you are out of balance.

 

[TheBeat]

We are in control yes, but we still need to be responsible about our usage of these substances, because our emotions and hormones are part of what makes us unique, and influences how we act, and if you get things out of balance, you can find yourself making decisions based more of emotions than intelligent decision. (Women) lol

Very true that we are in control, but shit can get really rough when you are out of balance.

Very true.
We should pay attention to how things effect us even if we can control it- why put ourselves in a difficult situation. I bet I could've handled it, but I didn't want to run tren while having a new born- I actually saw someone complaining about how hard it was on another site- why put ourselves in that when we should know better. Btw, I'm really talking to the crowd and directly at you.

 

[anonymous_475692]

While nearing the end of my cycle of 750 Test Enth/ wk, I ended up taking too much aromasin (12.5 eod!). I know it doesn't seem like much, but for some reason this crashed my E2 very hard. Maybe my AI is overdosed, IDK, but bloods came back at below 10.

I have never been so out of whack. The DHT rage that you get when you crash your E2 is almost uncontrollable. I lost it on my family multiple times, and I would find myself getting dangerously angry about absolutely nothing. I also had absolutely no appetite, and I felt like I was constantly depressed and hung over. Absolutely no energy what so ever.

Long story short, for the week and a half that my E2 was in the gutter, I almost lost my career and my wife, because of the way I acted. I was an emotional roller coaster. I'm pretty stable minded, and am not used to dealing with emotional distress like that. But I'm here to tell you. Be very careful with your estrogen control. Too much E2 is better than too little, although its ideal to get it in the normal range 20-30. Get bloods done until you get your dosage right, and don't settle for guess work. If you do, you could end up like me, except not be so lucky. Steroids are no joke, and anyone who does them needs to use them responsibly. And that means getting bloods, and not going overboard on dosages and estrogen control. START SMALL 12.5 MG EVERY 3 TO 4 DAYS AND THEN INCREASE FREQUENCY AS NEEDED. YOU CAN ONLY KNOW THIS BY PULLING A SENSITIVE ESTRADIOL BLOOD TEST.

Most of you guys already know this, but I just wanted to revisit the dangers of crashing your Estradiol. Its nothing to play around with, and nothing to be taken lightly.

I value this post and I sincerely hope you’re okay & whatever ur going through I hope everything goes good and gets better like steroids arnt a joke ur right and I kinda wish I didnt start taking it and hope I can come off tbh

 

[bama_barbell1014]

I value this post and I sincerely hope you’re okay & whatever ur going through I hope everything goes good and gets better like steroids arnt a joke ur right and I kinda wish I didnt start taking it and hope I can come off tbh

Unless you do it right, there's no sense in doing it at all. Meticulous dosage adjustment, and blood work until you get to where your body is happy. If not, you're in for a lot of headache, and potential health problems.

 

[Southeastbeast1]

Yeah I’ve accidentally crashed my E2 as well and did none of that.

Sounds more like a personal behavioral issue than anything.

 

[Test_Subject]

That's part of the reason that I started taking nolva to control gyno instead of large doses of an AI.

I still take an AI, but at a very low dose. I can deal with my BP being a touch high and retaining water.

 

[bama_barbell1014]

Yeah I’ve accidentally crashed my E2 as well and did none of that.

Sounds more like a personal behavioral issue than anything.

Just because you dont experience a side effect, doesn't mean that someone else doesnt. This sounds like an intelligence issue more than anything.

 

[rugerjitsu]

i'm using an AI for the first time everrr...just doing 12mg aromasin twice a week on my injection days. 600mg Test E / 400mg Deca...i'll be getting bloods within the next couple weeks.

 

[Apexvallen]

Wow 12.5eod aromasin crashed your estro at 750mg testE a week? Thats insane. I've read studies saying that same dose reduces e2 by about 60% give or take 15%. You musn't aromatise very heavily.

 

[CanadianPride]

Bruh... were you on tren?... or high amounts of androgens??

Aromasin SMASHES my estrogen in the gutter and I have done this many times. I experienced very different symptoms. Just complete and utter pure lethargy, ed, loss of appetite, zero energy and truthfully my emotions were completely null and void. My mood was extremely flat 24-7.

 

[TheBeat]

Wow 12.5eod aromasin crashed your estro at 750mg testE a week? Thats insane. I've read studies saying that same dose reduces e2 by about 60% give or take 15%. You musn't aromatise very heavily.

Goes to show how different we all are. So many on this board, seem to crash their estrogen with exemestane.
I don't share doses mostly because I could run 4x that and be in range on half the test dose, but too many recently have had bad results. Maybe people are getting Letrozole?

For me, and verified through my bloodwork, I appreciate how exemestane is more forgiving then the other AI's, more predictable/linear than Adex, and until this super exemestane that people have been getting recently- hard to crash your estrogen with it. I've found it very linear in its actions with half a tab lowering (by percentage from baseline) half as much, a quarter tab same. Adex doesn't work like that in my experience. I saw someone the other day say they crashed their E with 900mg test and a total of 25mg exemestane per week- he'd probably do fine to not take any or just lick his tab twice a week lol. Now we often forget about ratios and chase numbers, so I would consider a e2 of 20 good for natural but horrible for health with a test level of 3000. It's odd to me how trt patients with test levels of 750 can take 12.5mg eod and be fine as exemestane usually lowers 30-70% but we can't ignore the mass that crashes theirs with a far higher starting e and test level- symptoms and blood work decide, I'm lucky in that I fit with the pharmacology of it, not everyone does apparently.

 

[Apexvallen]

Hmm I wonder how many of these people are using pharm. Measuring in mcg isn't easy without the right equipment.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Have you ever tried a cortisol reducing compound? I take an ancillary support that I believe has been banned but I can still find it, and I've since been able to locate the single cortisol reducing compound that's in it at my local drug emporium. Since I've been taking it my stress levels have dropped through the floor. Its highly unlikely that I'm getting a placebo affect because when I miss it in the morning my day is kind of outta whack. We're different and different things work. You might read up on it. Phosphatidylserine 20%, androst-4-ene-3,11,17-trione (11-OXO). If I understand right cortisol can also induce catabolism post cycle. Also Magnesium Glycinate is a terrific cognitive function supplement that I take. I take ZMA before bed better rest and its important to not have any calcium containing products 30 minutes prior to consumption. Just some suggestions that work for me. There are lots of things we can supplement to aid in physical and mental well being along side all the rest of the stuff we do.

Elevated levels of cortisol, if prolonged, can lead to proteolysis (breakdown of proteins) and muscle wasting. Several studies have shown that cortisol can have a lipolytic effect (promote the breakdown of fat). Under some conditions, however, cortisol may somewhat suppress lipolysis.

 

[Oldman.]

I crashed my E2 during my last cycle using letrozol and the worst side was I slept a lot.

 

[ExtraLadder]

You know, high E2 can have the same effects on your personality and emotional control as low E2. Not to mention that hormone fluctuations are especially difficult, too. The changes can mess with your head and your judgment more than having your E2 high or low.

One of the challenges with dialing in an AI is that high estradiol and low estradiol can present the same symptoms. And while you should get bloodwork done, you can't get it done over and over again trying to make tiny adjustments. It's not like checking your blood sugar. You might think it's too high, but it's actually too low. Or maybe it's just fine and you have some other problem altogether.

 

[bubblebuddy]

I crashes my E2 on my first cycle with same dosing protocol (12.5 eod with 500 test e). never experienced any rage.... joints felt like shit and I believe it hurt my growth a bit..... but no rage.