Women-Only Cycle anavar/primo/GH - experiences and questions

[chloeb]

Hello !

I introduced myself in the forum previously and I would like to share with you my lasted experience with var and primo. I will explain to you here what I took :

1-3 weeks : 10mg var
3-5 weeks : 15mg var

3-9weeks : 50mg primo E E3D

I stopped 10 days ago the primo E and my voice is less deeper day by day.

And I took for much more than 2 months now : 4 UI of HGH and I'm running for 6 months more I think.

Let me explain to you my experience with anavar, primo and GH:

ANAVAR : I gained 3 kilos of muscle with var, very good results, I lost fat and gained muscles but sides effects : lil bit of acne in my back and lot of water retention. When I stopped I didn't lost too much weight only water and I'm much more shredded than before.
I start at 58 kilos and I'm now 61 kilos leaner

PRIMO E: I didn't like it, my voice changed and I stopped because I didn't see the positive effect, hair was going darker and I prefered to stop.

GH : I tested the GH to know my IGF-1 results and was pretty good but I didn't see the results excepted leaner where I inject. Side effect: pain in joints and hands. I will take R-ALA to help.

My questions for those who used to use aas more than once per year :

* How long do I have to stop before to restart a cycle ? At least the time I was ON?

* I would like to try NPP with var any reviews for women ? Side effects?

* Have you ever tried the peptide : follistatin 344? I'm afraid of the side effects because we do not have many rewiew on it....


PS : My goal is to compete next year in wellness class.

Thank you a lot for your help !

 

[GearGodess]

Hi, welcome!

The typical OFF period us the same as ON period of your cycle. That's the general rule/guideline.

Given you ran for 9 weeks, take 9weeks off.

Gh dose that you took may have a lot to do with why you had issues. 4iu to start is high. That invites swelling/water retention, growing pains, etc.

Running var and primo for such short cycles, and having such severe sides tells me that you are very sensitive to compounds. Being that was your first cycle, you need to look back and take note of what you liked and disliked about it and go from there. My personal recommendation would be to do a second cycle with lower doses as both primo and var are minimal on the undesirable sides compared to many other compounds.

If you're still set on NPP, keep in mind that you will notice a lot more quickly with it as it is a good compound for adding lots of size in short time. It's very different from primo and var as with those you gain quality versus quantity. With NPP, it's fast but not lasting. I wouldn't run multiple compounds at once till you know how you react to each on its own. So I would hold off on adding anything else to it, especially given how sensitive you were to the car and primo. Again, I would have suggested to do things safely with one compound at a time first to assess your tolerance.

 

[chloeb]

Now that's a dangerous suggestion to make... no female beginner should be running multiple compounds at once. Especially when they didn't have a fully successful first run. Perfect that first, then experiment with another. As I know you're a BB and experienced in your cycles, giving the advice of "the more you run the better results" theory isn't true, smart or safe.

That's just an invite to create sides that are undesirable and irreversible.

I've ran hundreds of cycles over the last 20+ years and I still run single compound cycles to get my desired results. Your food and training will determine how well your cycle turns out. It is not to be used as a crutch or miracle fix as you're inviting yourself to a lot of issues. Var maybe mild but it is very potent with great results, same with primo. I wouldn't necessarily call those a beginner compound.

Thank you a lot for your reply @GearGodess !
I increase my GH to 2ui to 4ui I only have joint pain during the night but it's not really painful I can manage easily it.

For my first cycle I used var and primo and I had really great result with var, with primo I didn't see any results maybe was too short and not enough 50mg E5D but I had the feeling my voice was deeper that's why I stopped.

It's interesting about NPP, you said is not lasting and I really want to keep my gains and quality so NPP should be added to something else to get a better combo maybe with var to get quality and quantity!

For my next cure in few weeks I will try again var and primo but orals!

What's the best take :
1) 25mg of primo + 10mg var
2) 25mg var + 10mg primo

Thank you everybody for your help!

 

[Sadie]

I have to agree. NPP is fast buy not lasting. I’ve run in 3 times and I’d have to say there are more cons than pros. Deeper voice, course hairs in my chin, oily skin, acne, etc. Not to mention that shit make me mean as a snake. I’m a hair trigger with an out of control temper when I run it. I’ve never held onto the gains after a cycle either. It’s just not worth it to me to run anymore.

Var and Primo are my favorite combination. Primo takes a little longer to kick in so I kick start it with Var. Gains come steady and last.

Good luck!

 

[QueenBee]

Thank you a lot for your reply @GearGodess !
I increase my GH to 2ui to 4ui I only have joint pain during the night but it's not really painful I can manage easily it.

For my first cycle I used var and primo and I had really great result with var, with primo I didn't see any results maybe was too short and not enough 50mg E5D but I had the feeling my voice was deeper that's why I stopped.

It's interesting about NPP, you said is not lasting and I really want to keep my gains and quality so NPP should be added to something else to get a better combo maybe with var to get quality and quantity!

For my next cure in few weeks I will try again var and primo but orals!

What's the best take :
1) 25mg of primo + 10mg var
2) 25mg var + 10mg primo

Thank you everybody for your help!

My suggestion would be to start with 5 mg var am/5 mg var pm combined with 20 mg/ml primo twice a week. @GearGodess @Victoria00 @leggodess thoughts....

 

[chloeb]

My suggestion would be to start with 5 mg var am/5 mg var pm combined with 20 mg/ml primo twice a week. @GearGodess @Victoria00 @leggodess thoughts....

Hum ok but when I tried Primo E and var, I notice the var was better for me that's why I wanted to put more var than primo... what do you think of this ?
I wanted to try primo A (tabs) this time ...

 

[chloeb]

I have to agree. NPP is fast buy not lasting. I’ve run in 3 times and I’d have to say there are more cons than pros. Deeper voice, course hairs in my chin, oily skin, acne, etc. Not to mention that shit make me mean as a snake. I’m a hair trigger with an out of control temper when I run it. I’ve never held onto the gains after a cycle either. It’s just not worth it to me to run anymore.

Var and Primo are my favorite combination. Primo takes a little longer to kick in so I kick start it with Var. Gains come steady and last.

Good luck!

Thank you for your reply, @GearGodess you really had good result with anadrol right ? It must depends of people...

 

[QueenBee]

Hum ok but when I tried Primo E and var, I notice the var was better for me that's why I wanted to put more var than primo... what do you think of this ?
I wanted to try primo A (tabs) this time ...

I don’t have any experience with primo Ace tabs. Other will need to chime in on that. I’m interested though in hearing others opinions of primo ace tabs.

 

[GearGodess]

My suggestion would be to start with 5 mg var am/5 mg var pm combined with 20 mg/ml primo twice a week. @GearGodess @Victoria00 @leggodess thoughts....

This is what I would suggest for the next run.
In my opinion, why not get the most of the cycle and do it better next time. Run it for 12-16 weeks with var as your starter for the first 8-10 weeks. Primo and var are incredible together. Don't rush the doses, there's no reason for it except to come across undesirable sides.

 

[GearGodess]

Hum ok but when I tried Primo E and var, I notice the var was better for me that's why I wanted to put more var than primo... what do you think of this ?
I wanted to try primo A (tabs) this time ...

Thank you for your reply, @GearGodess you really had good result with anadrol right ? It must depends of people...

Anadrol is a great compound for women as well. But it all depends on your goals. You need to decide what you want most out of your cycles.

Given this is your first go at it, master it first. Hence the above suggestion. And remember, currently you know what var "feels like" and primo - sort of, but at higher doses than your body prefers.

As for primo ace (short ester) tabs, it will kick in faster. I personally prefer the injectable (long ester). Yes, you'll notice and feel it much quicker than primo e. Both are going to give you the "feeling good" while on it but results are still slow and steady but long lasting. They are quality gains with minimal water retention on either one.

 

[chloeb]

This is what I would suggest for the next run.
In my opinion, why not get the most of the cycle and do it better next time. Run it for 12-16 weeks with var as your starter for the first 8-10 weeks. Primo and var are incredible together. Don't rush the doses, there's no reason for it except to come across undesirable sides.

Thanks, you said 12-16 weeks it's a lot no? Receptors won't be satured? It means that I will have to stop for 16 weeks after... It's not better to make 6 weeks ON 6 weeks OFF ?

 

[chloeb]

Hello everybody,

Cause of Covid I can not receive anything to make the cycle that I wanted to do so I will start next week another cycle like that :

S1-S6 : 20mg var (maybe more) + 5mg win ED

I can not put more win because I only have 50 tabs of 5mg...

My diet will be around 2100 calories instead of 2500 actually in order to get more shredded and see the gains!

What do you think of this ?

Thanks a lot and next time I will try maybe ANADROL with another gear (I have to think about it)

 

[GearGodess]

Hello everybody,

Cause of Covid I can not receive anything to make the cycle that I wanted to do so I will start next week another cycle like that :

S1-S6 : 20mg var (maybe more) + 5mg win ED

I can not put more win because I only have 50 tabs of 5mg...

My diet will be around 2100 calories instead of 2500 actually in order to get more shredded and see the gains!

What do you think of this ?

Thanks a lot and next time I will try maybe ANADROL with another gear (I have to think about it)

given you're familiar with var now, it is great to continue using is as it is an amazing compound and I don't think people give it enough credit plus dismiss it as a beginner or first timer compound... it's not! It is potent and works extremely well and awesome for women with very little undesirable sides.

Please don't have the mental set that you must run lots and high doses. 20 mg/day of good quality var is plenty for a woman, if you go over that, you are inviting unwanted sides and insane cramping. More bad than good. Our chemistry is so sensitive to hormone alterations that we do not require crazy doses. There is no reason for ladies to run it higher. And if adding another compound to it, then your should be using a lower dose. ALWAYS REMEMBER, LESS IS MORE

Winny at 5mg may be perfect for you. 50mg dose a day is very high for a female. There have been cycles that I have ran or any of my clients that dosed crumbs and got amazing results.

Also, keep in mind, the compounding effect of running multiples... 20mg var, which you haven't used this high yet PLUS 5mg winny on top of it, could be a tornado of sides and an unpleasant experience.
Drop it to 10mg to start and 5mg winny and see how you feel in a few weeks.

 

[chloeb]

given you're familiar with var now, it is great to continue using is as it is an amazing compound and I don't think people give it enough credit plus dismiss it as a beginner or first timer compound... it's not! It is potent and works extremely well and awesome for women with very little undesirable sides.

Please don't have the mental set that you must run lots and high doses. 20 mg/day of good quality var is plenty for a woman, if you go over that, you are inviting unwanted sides and insane cramping. More bad than good. Our chemistry is so sensitive to hormone alterations that we do not require crazy doses. There is no reason for ladies to run it higher. And if adding another compound to it, then your should be using a lower dose. ALWAYS REMEMBER, LESS IS MORE

Winny at 5mg may be perfect for you. 50mg dose a day is very high for a female. There have been cycles that I have ran or any of my clients that dosed crumbs and got amazing results.

Also, keep in mind, the compounding effect of running multiples... 20mg var, which you haven't used this high yet PLUS 5mg winny on top of it, could be a tornado of sides and an unpleasant experience.
Drop it to 10mg to start and 5mg winny and see how you feel in a few weeks.

I wanted to change and try another one gear to avoid my body to be "accustomed" to var... I was thinking if I only take var for each cycle I will only need to upgrade the dosage more and more!

Thank you @GearGodess so I will do as you said : 10mg var to start with 5mg winny and add more if needed.

 

[GearGodess]

I wanted to change and try another one gear to avoid my body to be "accustomed" to var... I was thinking if I only take var for each cycle I will only need to upgrade the dosage more and more!

Thank you @GearGodess so I will do as you said : 10mg var to start with 5mg winny and add more if needed.

If you are running your cycles safely with the minimal doses for your body, and taking the necessary time off in between, you shouldn't have much of a tolerance built up to it, given you had your proper reset period. People always say that your first cycle is the best cycle but I think it is more of a mental thing as it is your first go and everything is brand new and you are just crossing over to the dark side plus the first time that your body gets to experience the compounds. I wouldn't worry about that too much.

I've done var hundreds of times and I do not ever go past 20mg a day and get great results every time.

 

[chloeb]

If you are running your cycles safely with the minimal doses for your body, and taking the necessary time off in between, you shouldn't have much of a tolerance built up to it, given you had your proper reset period. People always say that your first cycle is the best cycle but I think it is more of a mental thing as it is your first go and everything is brand new and you are just crossing over to the dark side plus the first time that your body gets to experience the compounds. I wouldn't worry about that too much.

I've done var hundreds of times and I do not ever go past 20mg a day and get great results every time.

Hello @GearGodess I was wondering why my voice is changing since my first cycle I have a deeper voice and have the impression I have a "cat" in my throat. (maybe french citation) What do you think about it ?
What about you @GearGodess do you compete actually ? What is your body goal?

 

[GearGodess]

Hello @GearGodess I was wondering why my voice is changing since my first cycle I have a deeper voice and have the impression I have a "cat" in my throat. (maybe french citation) What do you think about it ?
What about you @GearGodess do you compete actually ? What is your body goal?

Sorry for the delay.

The change in your voice, what is the dose you're running? I would definitely reduce it or stop the cycle, depending how much it bothers you.

Voice is one of those sides that you have to wait and be off cycle for a longer time before it goes back. If you didn't stop/catch it in time, it may stay like that permanently. If it's just the beginnings of it from your last cycle and now, I'd highly recommend lowering the dose and see what happens or stop till it goes back. If you had it for a while, chances are, it will stay.

As for me, yes I've competed (bikini and figure) as well as modeling. So I stay somewhat "ready" throughout the year. My goal is always add muscle with the least amount of water retention while staying a girly girl but with defined muscles.
Although currently on my "chubbier" side as I've been off cycle for a bit now so my body fat is hovering around 16%. For a woman, that's still quite lean.
Normally, I'm between 11-13% for the last few years so my body needs a break. I'm not as dry and defined as I was in the previous years. I'm getting old. Lol I'm petite size 4 at 5'6 and around 130-135lbs so I still have good muscle on me.

 

[chloeb]

Sorry for the delay.

The change in your voice, what is the dose you're running? I would definitely reduce it or stop the cycle, depending how much it bothers you.

Voice is one of those sides that you have to wait and be off cycle for a longer time before it goes back. If you didn't stop/catch it in time, it may stay like that permanently. If it's just the beginnings of it from your last cycle and now, I'd highly recommend lowering the dose and see what happens or stop till it goes back. If you had it for a while, chances are, it will stay.

As for me, yes I've competed (bikini and figure) as well as modeling. So I stay somewhat "ready" throughout the year. My goal is always add muscle with the least amount of water retention while staying a girly girl but with defined muscles.
Although currently on my "chubbier" side as I've been off cycle for a bit now so my body fat is hovering around 16%. For a woman, that's still quite lean.
Normally, I'm between 11-13% for the last few years so my body needs a break. I'm not as dry and defined as I was in the previous years. I'm getting old. Lol I'm petite size 4 at 5'6 and around 130-135lbs so I still have good muscle on me.

Thank you for your help, I stopped two months ago my cycle of var and primo and I'm taking actually since 1 week : 20mg of var + 5mg winny.

I only noticed the voice's change when I started primo E since my voice is still craking... depends of the day... so I don't know if it's cause of my actual cycle!

I was wondering, what is the best running for long with var at 20mg for 8-12weeks or short cycle at 30mg for 4 weeks ?

16% that's nice for a women, you seems to be in a good shape and you always are helpful that's very nice !

What kind of girl do you coach? I mean for prep competition (wellness, bikini etc?)

 

[GearGodess]

Thank you for your help, I stopped two months ago my cycle of var and primo and I'm taking actually since 1 week : 20mg of var + 5mg winny.

I only noticed the voice's change when I started primo E since my voice is still craking... depends of the day... so I don't know if it's cause of my actual cycle!

I was wondering, what is the best running for long with var at 20mg for 8-12weeks or short cycle at 30mg for 4 weeks ?

16% that's nice for a women, you seems to be in a good shape and you always are helpful that's very nice !

What kind of girl do you coach? I mean for prep competition (wellness, bikini etc?)

Thanks!

How long of a break did you take before starting the current var/winny cycle? The 2 months total from last dose? How long was your first cycle? If your voice started cracking then, you should take a longer break. If it's worsening now, I'd say the current cycle is contributing and will get worse if you continue or increase the dose. Your voice change may be permanent now.

As for the cycle preference, there's no need for a female to run more than 20mg var. If it's legit, that should be the max, given it is run on its own. Running multiple compounds together, you should use lower doses especially if you're noticing unwanted sides.

I'm noticing a lot of trends that women are wanting to run multiple compounds at once without really knowing what one compound does to their bodies on its own. That's an invitation for trouble. Don't rush your cycles. Make the most of one compound first, get to know it better at a range of doses and cycle lengths before experimenting with advanced cycles.

 

[chloeb]

Thanks!

How long of a break did you take before starting the current var/winny cycle? The 2 months total from last dose? How long was your first cycle? If your voice started cracking then, you should take a longer break. If it's worsening now, I'd say the current cycle is contributing and will get worse if you continue or increase the dose. Your voice change may be permanent now.

As for the cycle preference, there's no need for a female to run more than 20mg var. If it's legit, that should be the max, given it is run on its own. Running multiple compounds together, you should use lower doses especially if you're noticing unwanted sides.

I'm noticing a lot of trends that women are wanting to run multiple compounds at once without really knowing what one compound does to their bodies on its own. That's an invitation for trouble. Don't rush your cycles. Make the most of one compound first, get to know it better at a range of doses and cycle lengths before experimenting with advanced cycles.

I take about 2 months of break before starting my current cycle. My first cycle was 5 weeks of var and then 7 weeks of primo E so about 12 weeks !

Is it better to run longer with small dosage?

I was thinking about 20mg of var during 8 or 10 weeks and stop for at least 3 months before going back to a new cycle...