Cycle question

[johnwick]

Hello im thinking of doing my 1st steroid cycle will be for 8 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate 500mg a week and Turinabol 50mg a day for 7 weeks my question is can i use proviron 25mg a day throughout my cycle to prevent gyno?
My pct is clomid, nolva, cialis
1 week 45mg clomid 30mg nolva and 22,5mg cialis
2-3 week 30mg clomid 20mg nolva and 15mg cialis
4 week 15mg clomid 10mg nolva and 7,5mg cialis
Is this pct enough for my cycle ?

Im 19 years old training for 4years of bodybuilding (everyday 1 muscle group) and have trained 4 years of canoeing what gain can i expect?

 

[Human_backhoe]

Bad idea with that training split! Honestly that's a amateur split my man.

Also what are your stats? As in are you around 10 to 14 percent bf?

What is you food intake like?

Canoeing isn't going to do anything....

Also first cycle is testosterone only!!!!

Are you prepared to inject trt twice a week for life?

I personally waited until 34 years old and had been training my whole life save injuries... I only cycled because I'm on trt for life anyway

 

[johnwick]

Bad idea with that training split! Honestly that's a amateur split my man.

Also what are your stats? As in are you around 10 to 14 percent bf?

What is you food intake like?

Canoeing isn't going to do anything....

Also first cycle is testosterone only!!!!

Are you prepared to inject trt twice a week for life?

I personally waited until 34 years old and had been training my whole life save injuries... I only cycled because I'm on trt for life anyway

Hi im 19 years old i think somewhere around 15-20 bf but pretty muscular for my age tbh arms 43cm back/chest - 117cm calves 42cm waist 75cm height 1.77cm , why would i need to be on trt for life does it messes u up that much even with good pct protocol?

 

[johnwick]

81kg i forgot to mention

 

[johnwick]

Thinking of doing that diet


Meal 1:
1 whole eggs
200g egg whites
40g oats or cream of rice

Meal 2:
170g white fish
5g olive oil (tsp)
100g spinach or asparagus |

Meal 3 (pre-workout):
150g chicken or ground turkey
80g raw weight sweet potato |
50g spinach or asparagus |

Meal 4:
170g white fish
80g jasmine rice
50g spinach or asparagus

Meal 5:
150g chicken or ground turkey
5g olive oil (tsp)
100g spinach or asparagus

Meal 6:
170g salmon
100g spinach or asparagus

 

[Human_backhoe]

Hi im 19 years old i think somewhere around 15-20 bf but pretty muscular for my age tbh arms 43cm back/chest - 117cm calves 42cm waist 75cm height 1.77cm , why would i need to be on trt for life does it messes u up that much even with good pct protocol?

Not shitting on you here. Over 15 is too high. Fat contains the aromatise enzyme. That will turn testosterone into estrogen. You are asking for problems! To do have any aromatise inhibitors on hand? You might be gyno prone! Or the edema might be horrible for your health.

Also you really need to clean up your workout split. Try a push pull legs for a year while eating like a animal..... You will grow a shit ton!

At 19 your endocrine system is not done developing. So yes even with pct there is a chance you can fuck yourself up for life.

You don't yet know about diet obviously. What is your TDE?????

What is a surplus for a bulk for you. What is your calories while cutting?


Honestly man. Stick around! We are all willing to help you get everything ready and set up before I you take this plunge.

Let's get you a real program and diet. Let's get you sub 15 percent.

I personally won't start testosterone cycle until I hit that 12 percent Mark.....so many less sides!

 

[johnwick]

I dont have any AI but my friend and supplier thats also an ifbb pro told me to use Proviron along my cycle he told me that this will keep my estrogen levels normal TFE i checked thst the maintaining calorie intake is 3k i checked my bodyfat with clippers via ktx7.de website and everytime i use a new method its says either im 15%/8%/12% and etc so i dont really know how much i am

 

[Human_backhoe]

I dont have any AI but my friend and supplier thats also an ifbb pro told me to use Proviron along my cycle he told me that this will keep my estrogen levels normal TFE i checked thst the maintaining calorie intake is 3k i checked my bodyfat with clippers via ktx7.de website and everytime i use a new method its says either im 15%/8%/12% and etc so i dont really know how much i am

That's retarded..... You feel less sides on proviron maybe.....

It will reduce shbg and give you more free T....

 

[johnwick]

That's retarded..... You feel less sides on proviron maybe.....

It will reduce shbg and give you more free T....

I just found that article i dont know how reliable it is but coach greg also said something like this but will that help me at all ive never had gyno even as a kid was never fat not skinny:

1. Inhibition Of Aromatase Effects. Another well-known benefit of Proviron is how it can work against the levels of estrogen in our body by acting as an AI (aromatase inhibitor). It should be noted, however, that its activity as an aromatase inhibitor is not at all of the level of such ‘specialist’ products like Aromasin, Letrozole, or Arimidex; nevertheless, Proviron can still be very beneficial in this aspect.

 

[Human_backhoe]

I know it sucks but what do you have to loose by doing this property?

Cleaning up your program and waiting a bit a sticking around here and doing some learning first.

I'm not your dad lol. If at your age you are intent on doing this at least minimize your risks and do it right and safely. That way you will be safe and make the huge gains....

 

[Human_backhoe]

I just found that article i dont know how reliable it is but coach greg also said something like this but will that help me at all ive never had gyno even as a kid was never fat not skinny:

1. Inhibition Of Aromatase Effects. Another well-known benefit of Proviron is how it can work against the levels of estrogen in our body by acting as an AI (aromatase inhibitor). It should be noted, however, that its activity as an aromatase inhibitor is not at all of the level of such ‘specialist’ products like Aromasin, Letrozole, or Arimidex; nevertheless, Proviron can still be very beneficial in this aspect.

You don't know how YOU react. Everyone is different! I don't ever need ai or proviron! My brother gets gyno flare ups at 500 test...now he needs surgery. Your call.

Edit.... Oh yeah he was also on proviron

 

[johnwick]

I know it sucks but what do you have to loose by doing this property?

Cleaning up your program and waiting a bit a sticking around here and doing some learning first.

I'm not your dad lol. If at your age you are intent on doing this at least minimize your risks and do it right and safely. That way you will be safe and make the huge gains....

I just cant find where to buy an AI and i dont really know how to use it uve been very helpful i didnt know most of the stuff i told me and thank you i found hilma might buy arimidex but do you know how to use it should i start it when i see the gyno developing or should i do 1mg EOD

 

[Human_backhoe]

I just cant find where to buy an AI and i dont really know how to use it uve been very helpful i didnt know most of the stuff i told me and thank you i found hilma might buy arimidex but do you know how to use it should i start it when i see the gyno developing or should i do 1mg EOD

Never use it unless you have to! I crashed my e2 once and it was fucking horrible.

Only testosterone on your first cycle

Also do not by ugl AI!!!!!!!!!

There is a brick and mortar pharmacy in Germany on the underground here

 

[Human_backhoe]

I just cant find where to buy an AI and i dont really know how to use it uve been very helpful i didnt know most of the stuff i told me and thank you i found hilma might buy arimidex but do you know how to use it should i start it when i see the gyno developing or should i do 1mg EOD

Do some more reading when it comes to hilma lol. I spent months calling out their crap.

 

[johnwick]

Do some more reading when it comes to hilma lol. I spent months calling out their crap.

I did they all say its one of the best reliable sources should i be aware? What experience u had with them?

 

[Human_backhoe]

I did they all say its one of the best reliable sources should i be aware? What experience u had with them?

When you see a bunch of junior members with only a post or two saying how amazing it is....be cautious lol.

It's a fucking horrible battle we run against sources here. We are brutal because of the amount of people who get ripped off or selectively scammed. This is a harm reduction board. Not a paid source board. They are our guests. Anabolic labs found at one point contaminated gear that they refused to address. Also people never receiving their shit. Disappeared for weeks while shills battled on their behalf lol.


Me no experience. I just do my best to help hold these drug dealers accountable

 

[Human_backhoe]

Remember if anyone pm's you or recommend a source they are probably a fucking scammer

That's not the way we work here

 

[Human_backhoe]

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Look backwards for a few pages lol

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

He’s 19. Enough said. Nobody should be giving any other advise than to WAIT.

Read all you can about first and training. Implement it. Your natural testosterone levels are the highest they will ever be and that should be sufficient to make good progress for the next 7 years.

Steroids won’t burn fat. Steroids aren’t as effective as they will be if you build a decent base. This is nothing magical. Train hard now, you don’t need steroids. Anyone that is advising you otherwise is being irresponsible. Be patient and put the work in.

Dont even mess with proviron now. Work in your base and do your reading. Read about the endocrine system and particularly the HPTA. After that, you can read about steroids but don’t do them until you understand all of the above.

You can’t rely on strangers over the internet, YOU need to be the expert. None of us has any responsibility for YOUR health, that’s your job.

Good luck and keep putting in the hard work.

 

[Human_backhoe]

@BigBaldBeardGuy put into words what I couldn't lol..I am out with a concussion.

@johnwick stick around and learn. Check out the diet and training threads. You can become a fucking beast as a natural first! FOOD! Is honestly the way to get huge in my experience.