DEA Approves Trial of MDMA

ive tried MDMA, its fun as all hell...probably too much fun....and makes your heart race like its going to explode if you take too much...makes you sweat like a faggot eating a hotdog too...

MDMA and ecstacy are too different buzz's....MDMA makes you feel real good and you come down much faster than X...
 
MDMA is ecstacy. Just a street name given to it. There are others though. Like Eve. Its like the difference between calling something meth and glass. Same drug intended. In the same way, molly is mdma crystals, and the tablets are crystals pressed. No difference in time of effect unless a different drug is in it also.
 
in my experience you are wrong...sure there is mdma in ecstacy but is not the only ingedient responsible for the buzz and MDMA alone in its crystal form when ingested is a totally different buzz....this isnt a statement from someone reading shit off the net...This is because I have done these drugs personally
 
MDMA is supposed to be the same as E, but since it's illegal, many ppl mix other things into an E tablet, while crystal forms are often pure MDMA, tablets nowadays dont
 
Im speaking physiologically. Chemistry. Pikhal. No other drug need to be included in mdma tablet or powder to be "ecstasy". Unfortunately, additives are usually included. Usually a stimulant, but not necessary at all to the "buzz". Your speaking of an empathogen drug, one which gives the user an emotional feeling of empathy. No other drugs than this class has this method of action. Members of this family of drugs include 2C-B, 2C-I ,MDMA, MDEA, MBDB , 5-APB ect. The chemical structures of many have a substituted amphetamine base, and most belong to the phenethylamine class of psychoactive drugs. MDMA and others are referred to among those in the know as "MDxx' for the sake of honesty, because an incomplete reaction can result in many of these compounds as a side product. Therefore even "pure ecstasy crystals" can produce vastly different effects from one batch to the next, making your "buzz" longer or shorter, more or less intense, or an "up" or "down" feeling. Source - " I love the smell of safrole in tha morning. Smells like- - root beer. "
 
I was referring to the ecstasy pills of the 90's and not MDMA alone. I ran with a group of characters that would press "scooby snacks" in the 90's, and although it was fun at the time, what they were selling was not pure MDMA, but partial amounts with a bunch of other shit mixed it. When taken with a few hits of acid...damn...those were some crazy nights! And somehow we all lived.

candy flipping .....:eek:
 
UK, late 80's - early 90's it was the real deal, mainly coming from the continent. For a long time now as has been said many substances have been sold as ecstasy. Meth and ketamine seem to have been commonly mixed in many locations
 
There were a few years some time ago when I managed to do some reading. I pushed through Shulgin's PIHKAL. Berkeley PHD Chemist. The subject of work is the psychoactive phenethylamine chemical derivatives. Shulgin new the power and potential to help people suffering from certain mental or psychological issues.
Before RAW DEAL and GEAR GRINDER there was Operation WEB TRYP. Chemicals, some of which were first synthesized by Shulgin at Berkeley before the DEA pulled his schedule 1 license to work with such drugs.
Before RC's were demonized by the media and marketed as "Bath Salts" there was Shulgin and his wife. The book walks the reader through the steps and ingredients used to synthesize each chemical.
interesting :).
the dea raided his home because half of PIHKAL is "recipes" for some interesting mind altering chemicals. some of which, could be medicine. his reply, TIHKAL. tryptamines i have known and loved. theres some interesting commentary there and id recommend it if you haven't read it. and then theres the shulgin index. i own all three as books. and the simple plant isoqinolones. that's four. not sure what to do with that one yet.
i like the underlined comment in your quotes.

sadly, sasha sulgin has passed, at the rip old age of 88. so much for drugs kill. huffingtonpost.com/jag-davies/rip-alexander-sasha-shulgin_b_5444653.html
 
True MDMA cut with whatever is excstasy pill stamped in various pills.
True molly is what they used in the 71-80s for therapy. It is pure MDMA.
Where the problem lies is that MDMA is extracted from tree roots and is in short supply. Therefor these other drugs I.e dexomorphine etc etc are made into these mad concauctions and sold as ecstasy. That shit will kill you. I used to be a lil candy raving bitch. Haha
 
True MDMA cut with whatever is excstasy pill stamped in various pills.
True molly is what they used in the 71-80s for therapy. It is pure MDMA.
Where the problem lies is that MDMA is extracted from tree roots and is in short supply. Therefor these other drugs I.e dexomorphine etc etc are made into these mad concauctions and sold as ecstasy. That shit will kill you. I used to be a lil candy raving bitch. Haha
Nothing you just said is true. Prove one thing about your statement. You do realize mdma has been around since the end of the great war, right? You think therapy patients were given molly crystals and the dr would show them what to do?? No. It was in tablets. And sometimes injected. Check dancesafe. Check any anonymous pill tester site. See out of thousands and thousands of pills, how many tested positive for even an iota of opiate or opiate agonist. There's a quick answer. None.
 
Tree roots...really? Cmon man. Invest more time learning before you spout pseudo science and outright misinformation.
 
Mdma is a very harsh chemical in recreational doses (100-300mg)...it's not a drug to take lightly. It can seriously fuck you up...I've seen friends end up in a depressed state for weeks to a month following a big night of rolling.

I wonder what a therapeutical dose is?
 
Its a drug that has a threshold dose. At 125 mg it works it's magic. And its also a drug that has a limit to effectiveness, anything more than 250mg doesn't enhance the experience or even prolong it, only adding to the neurotoxicity. In short, the experience depends upon seratonin stores, which are depleted after the experience, making it impossible to recreate in a short time frame, even with double or tripled doses. The state your friends were in couldve been bettered by administration of 50mg Fluoxetine (prozac) or a dose of 5-htp within 4 hours after roll. depression was caused by serotonin deficiency . When serotonin runs low in the brain, messed up shit happens man. ANywho ... Mdma dose is threshold. Therefore, I'm betting clinical therapeutic dose is at 125mg.
 
Oh, celexa also blocks there damage from mdma. And here is the science behind it. Remember, no MAOI, even hours after. High doses of MDMA have a two-phase effect on serotonergic functioning, first causing acute decreases, then partial recovery, then chronic decreases. For example, after a single dose of 10 mg/kg MDMA to a rat, release of 5-HT leads to depletion of tissue levels of 5-HT and its metabolite 5-HIAA within 3 hours of dosing (Schmidt 1987; Stone, 1987b). Approximately 6 hours later, levels begin to return to normal, but this recovery is not sustained. About 24 hours after dosing, 5-HT levels begin a second, sustained decrease and remain significantly lower than baseline 2 weeks later. This sustained decrease is thought to be associated with axonal damage.

The intracellular enzyme TPH follows a similar time course, with decreased activity occurring within 15 minutes of drug administration. However, there is less short-term recovery of TPH activity in comparison to 5-HT. The recovery of TPH activity appears to involve regeneration of enzyme that was inactivated by oxidation rather than synthesis of new enzyme. SERT functioning is also altered. When rats were given 15 mg/kg subcutaneous MDMA and sacrificed an hour later, the uptake of serotonin was decreased by 80% (Fleckenstein, 1999). It should be noted that significant acute 5-HT depletions are not necessarily produced by all active doses of MDMA. Schmidt (1986) reported that 2.5 mg/kg MDMA did not produce an acute decrease in 5-HT or 5HIAA in Sprague Dawley rats at 3 hours after injection. Of note, Kish (2000) did find striatal 5-HT depletions in a chronic ecstasy user who died shortly after ecstasy ingestion. This suggests that at least some of the doses administered by humans are sufficient to produce 5-HT depletions.

The above description focuses on serotonergic changes because these are used too measure toxicity. Many other acute neurochemical changes occur after MDMA exposure. For example, dopamine is released (Stone, 1986) and dopamine transporter reuptake activity is decreased within 1 hr of high dose MDMA (Fleckenstein, 1999; Metzger, 1998). MDMA can also acutely increase dopamine synthesis (Nash, 1990). As noted previously, mice are selectively vulnerable to MDMA-induced dopaminergic neurotoxicity (Logan, 1988; Miller,1994; Stone, 1987a). In some studies, long-term alterations in dopaminergic functioning have been seen in other species (e.g., rats in Commins, 1987).

The time course of damaging events in rats can be seen by administering SSRIs, such as fluoxetine and citalopram, after MDMA. Pretreatment with fluoxetine (Prozac) or citalopram (Celexa) has been shown to block the neurotoxicity of MDMA (Battaglia, 1988; Schmidt 1987; 1990; Shankaran, 1999a), probably by blocking interactions of MDMA with SERT. More interestingly, fluoxetine remains almost fully protective if given 3 or 4 hours after MDMA. By 4 hours, most of the MDMA-induced release of 5-HT and DA has already occurred (Gough, 1991; Hiramatsu, 1990) and increases in extracellular free radicals (Colado, 1997b; Shankaran, 1999a) and lipid peroxidation (the alteration of fat molecules by free radicals) (Colado, 1997a) can be measured. Nevertheless, the administration of fluoxetine at this point decreases subsequent extracellular oxidative stress (Shankaran, 1999a) and long-term 5-HT depletions (Schmidt, 1987; Shankaran, 1999a). Fluoxetine will still be partially protective if given 6 hours after MDMA but has no protective effect 12 hours after administration (Schmidt, 1987). This shows that neurotoxic MDMA regimens initiate a series of events that become increasingly damaging between 3 and 12 hours after drug administration in rats.

Slow recovery of serotonergic functioning can be seen following a neurotoxic dose of MDMA. The extent of recovery is different in different species. In rats, there is extensive recovery of indicators of serotonergic functioning 1 year after drug exposure (Battaglia, 1988; Lew, 1996; Sabol, 1996; Scanzello, 1993), although there is significant variation in recovery between individual animals (Fischer, 1995). In primates, some recovery of serotonergic function occurs but is less extensive than in the rat. Altered serotonergic axon density was still detectable 7 years after MDMA exposure in one study of squirrel monkeys (Hatzidimitriou, 1999). Therefore, despite some recovery, MDMA-induced serotonergic changes are likely permanent in this primate species. This apparent species difference may be partially related to the more severe initial serotonergic damage usually seen in primates compared to rats, but also likely indicates a species difference in regrowth of serotonergic axons.
 
Your taking what I am saying out of context. MDMA was given to therapy patients. My time line may be off but it defiantly was given for therapy. 2: MDMA is derived from tree roots


en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safrole

Oil from these trees is harder and harder to come by and that is why fake pseudo drugs mimicing the effects of MDMA is popping up all over the United States and killing our youth. It's nearly impossible to find real MDMA these days but I assure that the original term "molly" comes from taking pure MDMA. Now days that's not what it is. But if it were real it would be.

Plus you just jumped on me like I was just making shit up. I learned about the shortage of real MDMA and the trees from a recent documentary on the discovery channel. You said post one thing that supported my claims. I did. Wikipedia should suffice or there is a thousand other websites if you wanna do some reading. Maybe you should do some reading before you try and make people look inferior to you friend.
 
And I didnt say they were cut with opiates. I said cut with whatever. If a pill is pressed with unpure x from a street dealer and a press he will use all sorts of garbage as filler to press them.

Pure MDMA will not press. It crumbles. That's why Molly's originated in capsule form
 
All the stuff you stated above means what exactly??? I can sum it up. MDMA depletes seretonin
If you take it to often it has major long term effects. If you must take it i would recommend only 1 time every 3 months. If you take it every weekend you will lose all sorts of cognitive thinking and motor skills. My ex girl friend turned into an etard. It's so sad. She goes to therapy and works on 50 piece puzzles. Her brain is fried. It is a dangerous drug. But I assure you I know just enough about it to tell you I will never touch it again and now days if you buy it dance safe is a must because most likely it is not MDMA. Or it is very little MDMA and who knows whatever research chemicals
 
My first statement may sound confusing. I say true molly because patients were treated with pure MDMA at certain doses. But rest assured. A molly is the term for pure MDMA.
I don't mean they were treated by a doc telling them to pop Molly's lol. Molly is the term for pure MDMA. So when I say molly I mean pure E. hope this clears that up.
 
Wikipedia may not be the best source of info to espouse since uninformed heresay and propaganda are often included, and its rarely totally accurate. Which is why you can't cite it as a source in college... [emoji85] There is no shortage of any one of the 120 or so different natural extracts which make safrole or pipernol. Including but not limited to : sassafrass...the one you mention, which is oil extracted from the whole plant, not "tree roots" , white and black pepper, ginger, star anise , cinammon and nutmeg. Your telling me there's a shortage? Also fyi, no pill is pure drug pressed together. They all contain fillers, so that they "press".
Further, if you had actually read the whole thread you might have learned where the term molly came from . A poster who took time to gather real facts posted it on like the first page. If you read what i posted you would see what "it means exactly". It is a scientific explanation of how it works in the brain and how you can negate the potential brain damage. .. Being a candy raver is cool and all, but in no way does that bring you closer to the science of this substituted amphetamine. Thats learning for you. What people are told at a dance party...and what the science actually tells us. Its a lot like bro science.
 
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