^^^^ if only you two could have a couple mollies together....
im sure you would work it out
im sure you would work it out
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TheNeWkID
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Lol. It's a tree dude.
Google it. You said post just one link to support my claim. Then you discredit Wikipedia? Really.
Ok. Here is another. Anyone that had some time could post 1000 more but I get the feeling you just Like to argue. Why you snapped off on me I'm not real sure. I think we both agree too many kinds are dying from this bullshit right?
www.tri.org
Harvesting trees to make ecstasy drug
3 February 2009
http://www.tni.org/users/tom-blickman
In June 2008, the Cambodian government set up a media show, burning 1,278 drums of safrole-rich oil—a key ingredient in the manufacture of the illicit recreational drug ecstasy—with the help of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). The amount of oil could have been used to make an estimated 245 million ecstasy tablets with a street value of $7.6 billion in Australia, the AFP claimed. While thick black plumes of smoke went into the air, Australian police officers, who had traveled to Cambodia to assist in the public burning, looked on wearing chemical suits and breathing apparatus.
In June 2008, the Cambodian government set up a media show, burning 1,278 drums of safrole-rich oil—a key ingredient in the manufacture of the illicit recreational drug ecstasy—with the help of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). The amount of oil could have been used to make an estimated 245 million ecstasy tablets with a street value of $7.6 billion in Australia, the AFP claimed. While thick black plumes of smoke went into the air, Australian police officers, who had traveled to Cambodia to assist in the public burning, looked on wearing chemical suits and breathing apparatus. Many people believe that ecstasy is merely a synthetic drug that is manufactured solely with chemicals, so-called precursors. However, the main raw material for ecstasy, safrole, is extracted from various plants and trees in the form of safrole-rich oils—also known as sassafras oil. These oils may contain safrole levels of more than 80 percent or 90 percent. They are usually first converted into chemical precursors before being diverted from the legal trade to clandestine ecstasy labs. Safrole and its derivatives have many legal uses as well. It is marketed worldwide in large quantities as raw materials for the fragrance and pesticide industries. The main production area is Southeast Asia and China. Burma is a significant producer of safrole-rich oils, locally known as thitkado. The word literally means “fragrant tree” or “good smelling tree” (thit means wood or tree, and kado means fragrant). Thitkado is also locally used as a traditional medicine—applied externally against skin diseases and rashes and for inhaling. Precursor control is the “second front” of international drug control. It became part of the international drug control agenda in 1988 with the adoption of the Convention against the Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances. To prevent the diversion of precursors and essential chemicals from licit channels to illicit drug manufacture through an import-export pre-notification system, the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) has developed special guidelines. Safrole and safrole-rich oils are both scheduled on the Red list of the INCB and are subjected to controls. As the demand and supply of drugs still cannot be controlled, preventing the diversion of precursors to produce them has become one way to reduce the supply. However, precursor control suffers from the same setbacks as the fight against drugs in general: despite increasing control mechanisms, the market is not really affected. Ineffective Approach The public burning in Cambodia was staged with the help of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), which has been sounding the alarm bell on the illicit trade in safrole-rich oils for some years already. “Law enforcement is the key to suppressing the illegal trade in sassafras oil,” said Lars Pedersen, the Cambodia UNODC chief. “It’s a very lucrative trade, worth millions and millions of dollars.” Conservation organizations such as Fauna and Flora International (FFI), Wildlife Alliance and Conservation International have joined the fight as well. According to David Bradfield of the Wildlife Sanctuaries Project of FFI, safrole production in the Cardamom Mountains in Cambodia is wreaking ecological damage. “The production of sassafras oil over the last 10 years has severely depleted the trees and if the illicit production isn't stamped out soon, they could become extinct in the near future,” he warned. The livelihoods of 12,000 to 15,000 people in the wildlife sanctuary are at risk. Cambodian authorities dismantled more than 50 clandestine laboratories and arrested 60 to 100 people involved in safrole production in the past few years. Some 50 rangers from the Ministry of Environment and Forestry are policing the area with financial support from conservation organizations and the UN Development Programme (UNDP). The current production methods of safrole-rich oils endanger both the flora and fauna in fragile ecosystems and impact on the livelihood of the local population. To produce the oil, entire wild and often rare forest trees are felled and the oil is steam-distilled from the timber, the root and stump. The wood is chopped into small blocks and shredded. This is then distilled in large metal vats over wood fires for at least five days. The firewood needed to steam-distill the oil exacerbates the harm. According to TNI research in northern Burma, for every safrole-rich tree, ten other trees are needed to distil the oil. A survey in East and Southeast Asia by the UNODC in 2006 found 361 plants that are rich in safrole, mostly of the cinnamon tree species, such as the camphor tree (Cinnamomum camphora)—a large evergreen tree up to 20-30 meters tall common in Southeast Asia. A More Common Sense Approach In most species, safrole is in the root and the stumps. Nevertheless, some plant species make it possible to extract the oils from leaves and twigs and can thus be harvested in a sustainable manner. In China and Brazil, experiments with new, sustainable plants and trees are well advanced—in particular some Cinnamomum species and the Pimenta longa (Piper hispidinervium), which has been introduced to Yunnan from Brazil, by the Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden in China's Yunnan Province. Although the worry about the ecological damage is justifiable, questions remain about the effectiveness of public burnings. The approach might backfire by driving up the price and attracting more illegal harvesters. It is also questionable whether all the oil was destined for ecstasy laboratories since the bulk of the oil is still used for legal purposes. A wiser approach might be to sell the seized oil to the chemical industry and use the proceeds to set up sustainable production of safrole oil, providing livelihoods for the people involved. Safrole-rich Oil in Burma Burma produces more safrole-rich oil than Cambodia, according to a survey in East and Southeast Asia by the UNODC in 2006. The aggregate annual production of safrole-rich oil in the region is estimated at 1,500 tons. China produces about 800 tons, Burma 230-490 tons, Cambodia 250 tons, Laos 45 tons and Indonesia 35 tons. The Chinese chemical industry is the major end-user of the oils. Production in China has declined over the years, due to increased controls since 2005. Vietnam was a major producer of safrole rich oil until 1999, when it was prohibited because of damage to the environment. However, Vietnam continues to import it for re-export to third countries. All countries in the region have regulations to control the harvesting and production of safrole-rich oils, including export and import. In Cambodia, Laos and Burma, these measures apply to all non-timber forest products; only China and Vietnam have specific legislation. The increased control in China and Vietnam, the two major trading countries, seems to have shifted production to countries were controls are less strict and law enforcement capacity is low, such as Burma, Laos and Cambodia. The National Narcotics Control Commission (NNCC) of China for instance reported the import of large quantities of safrole-rich oil from Burma in 2004-2006. Permits were issued by the Burmese authorities to companies to harvest wood for oil production at the Tamanthi Hydropower Project in the Chindwin River in Sagaing Division near the border with India, where a dam would eventually cause submersion of large tracks of land the area. Five companies were licensed and each operated about 50 small stills to produce 340 tonnes of thitkado oil for export to China. Illegal production of the oils and export to China also occurred; 115 tons were seized during 2002-2005 along smuggling routes from Sagaing Division to Yunnan. TNI research in 2008 found that thitkado oil is produced and traded in Kachin State. According to a Burmese government official, safrole-rich oils are produced in the country, but production is declining. He mentioned that trees in Kachin State were depleted. Since 1998, the main production area was the Nhkai Bum Mountains, but this area is nearly completely deforested. The main production areas now are the Danai, Hpakant and Inndawgyi regions in Kachin State, and the Hkam Ti region in Sagaing Division. The oil is bought by Chinese traders. According to a Kachin businessman, the Chinese market for thitkado oil is in Mangshi and Zhangkhong, a small border town north of Ruili and opposite of Mai Ja Yang. Most oil comes through Laiza, a border town controlled by the Kachin Independence Organisation (KIO), and some comes from Nawng Tau, a border town near Ruili where illegal timber logging moves across the border. The KIO prohibited thitkado production in the areas under its control in 2006. The wood had become scarce and producers had to go deep into the forest to find the remaining trees. Nevertheless, the KIO still gave permission to harvest trees occasionally. Prices are increasing, say several sources. Until 2007, one litre could be sold for 60 yuan, but due to the increased shortage of trees, the price increased to 90 yuan in 2008, according to a trader in Ruili. Most people involved in the harvesting of trees are unaware of its commercial use. Some erroneously suspected that it was used for yama, or methamphetamine. One thought it was used to make an atomic bomb, indicating the level of secrecy surrounding the trade. The main tree used nowadays, according to TNI researchers, is the Laukya Mwe, the Burmese name for the Schima wallichii or the Chinese guger tree or needle wood. Before it used to be the Payok pin, the Burmese name for the Cinnamomum camphora or Camphor tree. Another tree identified in Kachin State at the Chinese border is the Kum krung, very similar to Sassafras Tzumu, according to TNI researchers. Only the bark is used and sold in China. According to research in China, the bark of the Sassafras Tzumu has very high safrole content (97 percent). A Better Way Forward As noted, Safrole-rich oils are not only produced for the manufacturing of ecstasy, but are the raw materials for many legal products. Current safrole production is not meeting the market demand and the destructive extraction process raises serious concerns about the long-term availability of safrole. Preventing ecological damage and unsustainable harvesting of safrole-rich oils is urgently needed to preserve fragile ecosystems. However, burning illicitly produced oils will not contribute to a long-term solution, and might even be counterproductive. It is yet another example of a simple-minded law enforcement approach that also has not been effective to reach a sustainable decline in illicit opium cultivation—as has been described in the recent report “Withdrawal Symptoms in the Golden Triangle: A Drug Market in Disarray.” Lessons learned from alternative development programs to counter the illicit cultivation of opium in the region have to be taken into account to design an effective policy. Eradication of unsustainable safrole-rich oil production only makes sense when viable and sustainable alternatives are in place. A more effective approach would be to involve all stakeholders: The people now implicated in the harvesting, who need to be educated on sustainable harvesting and distilling methods; the chemical industry, which needs to produce raw materials in a responsible, environmentally friendly way; academic institutes involved in developing alternative plants and harvesting methods; and development organizations to fund and design alternative development programs for environmentally friendly and sustainable production of safrole-rich oil. For more information: http://www.tni.org/en/archives/know/288, by Tom Kramer, Martin Jelsma and Tom Blickman; Transnational Institute, January 2009. www.irrawaddy.org
Tom Blickman is a researcher with Transnational Institute.
Google it. You said post just one link to support my claim. Then you discredit Wikipedia? Really.
Ok. Here is another. Anyone that had some time could post 1000 more but I get the feeling you just Like to argue. Why you snapped off on me I'm not real sure. I think we both agree too many kinds are dying from this bullshit right?
www.tri.org
Harvesting trees to make ecstasy drug
3 February 2009
http://www.tni.org/users/tom-blickman
In June 2008, the Cambodian government set up a media show, burning 1,278 drums of safrole-rich oil—a key ingredient in the manufacture of the illicit recreational drug ecstasy—with the help of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). The amount of oil could have been used to make an estimated 245 million ecstasy tablets with a street value of $7.6 billion in Australia, the AFP claimed. While thick black plumes of smoke went into the air, Australian police officers, who had traveled to Cambodia to assist in the public burning, looked on wearing chemical suits and breathing apparatus.
In June 2008, the Cambodian government set up a media show, burning 1,278 drums of safrole-rich oil—a key ingredient in the manufacture of the illicit recreational drug ecstasy—with the help of the Australian Federal Police (AFP). The amount of oil could have been used to make an estimated 245 million ecstasy tablets with a street value of $7.6 billion in Australia, the AFP claimed. While thick black plumes of smoke went into the air, Australian police officers, who had traveled to Cambodia to assist in the public burning, looked on wearing chemical suits and breathing apparatus. Many people believe that ecstasy is merely a synthetic drug that is manufactured solely with chemicals, so-called precursors. However, the main raw material for ecstasy, safrole, is extracted from various plants and trees in the form of safrole-rich oils—also known as sassafras oil. These oils may contain safrole levels of more than 80 percent or 90 percent. They are usually first converted into chemical precursors before being diverted from the legal trade to clandestine ecstasy labs. Safrole and its derivatives have many legal uses as well. It is marketed worldwide in large quantities as raw materials for the fragrance and pesticide industries. The main production area is Southeast Asia and China. Burma is a significant producer of safrole-rich oils, locally known as thitkado. The word literally means “fragrant tree” or “good smelling tree” (thit means wood or tree, and kado means fragrant). Thitkado is also locally used as a traditional medicine—applied externally against skin diseases and rashes and for inhaling. Precursor control is the “second front” of international drug control. It became part of the international drug control agenda in 1988 with the adoption of the Convention against the Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances. To prevent the diversion of precursors and essential chemicals from licit channels to illicit drug manufacture through an import-export pre-notification system, the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) has developed special guidelines. Safrole and safrole-rich oils are both scheduled on the Red list of the INCB and are subjected to controls. As the demand and supply of drugs still cannot be controlled, preventing the diversion of precursors to produce them has become one way to reduce the supply. However, precursor control suffers from the same setbacks as the fight against drugs in general: despite increasing control mechanisms, the market is not really affected. Ineffective Approach The public burning in Cambodia was staged with the help of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), which has been sounding the alarm bell on the illicit trade in safrole-rich oils for some years already. “Law enforcement is the key to suppressing the illegal trade in sassafras oil,” said Lars Pedersen, the Cambodia UNODC chief. “It’s a very lucrative trade, worth millions and millions of dollars.” Conservation organizations such as Fauna and Flora International (FFI), Wildlife Alliance and Conservation International have joined the fight as well. According to David Bradfield of the Wildlife Sanctuaries Project of FFI, safrole production in the Cardamom Mountains in Cambodia is wreaking ecological damage. “The production of sassafras oil over the last 10 years has severely depleted the trees and if the illicit production isn't stamped out soon, they could become extinct in the near future,” he warned. The livelihoods of 12,000 to 15,000 people in the wildlife sanctuary are at risk. Cambodian authorities dismantled more than 50 clandestine laboratories and arrested 60 to 100 people involved in safrole production in the past few years. Some 50 rangers from the Ministry of Environment and Forestry are policing the area with financial support from conservation organizations and the UN Development Programme (UNDP). The current production methods of safrole-rich oils endanger both the flora and fauna in fragile ecosystems and impact on the livelihood of the local population. To produce the oil, entire wild and often rare forest trees are felled and the oil is steam-distilled from the timber, the root and stump. The wood is chopped into small blocks and shredded. This is then distilled in large metal vats over wood fires for at least five days. The firewood needed to steam-distill the oil exacerbates the harm. According to TNI research in northern Burma, for every safrole-rich tree, ten other trees are needed to distil the oil. A survey in East and Southeast Asia by the UNODC in 2006 found 361 plants that are rich in safrole, mostly of the cinnamon tree species, such as the camphor tree (Cinnamomum camphora)—a large evergreen tree up to 20-30 meters tall common in Southeast Asia. A More Common Sense Approach In most species, safrole is in the root and the stumps. Nevertheless, some plant species make it possible to extract the oils from leaves and twigs and can thus be harvested in a sustainable manner. In China and Brazil, experiments with new, sustainable plants and trees are well advanced—in particular some Cinnamomum species and the Pimenta longa (Piper hispidinervium), which has been introduced to Yunnan from Brazil, by the Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden in China's Yunnan Province. Although the worry about the ecological damage is justifiable, questions remain about the effectiveness of public burnings. The approach might backfire by driving up the price and attracting more illegal harvesters. It is also questionable whether all the oil was destined for ecstasy laboratories since the bulk of the oil is still used for legal purposes. A wiser approach might be to sell the seized oil to the chemical industry and use the proceeds to set up sustainable production of safrole oil, providing livelihoods for the people involved. Safrole-rich Oil in Burma Burma produces more safrole-rich oil than Cambodia, according to a survey in East and Southeast Asia by the UNODC in 2006. The aggregate annual production of safrole-rich oil in the region is estimated at 1,500 tons. China produces about 800 tons, Burma 230-490 tons, Cambodia 250 tons, Laos 45 tons and Indonesia 35 tons. The Chinese chemical industry is the major end-user of the oils. Production in China has declined over the years, due to increased controls since 2005. Vietnam was a major producer of safrole rich oil until 1999, when it was prohibited because of damage to the environment. However, Vietnam continues to import it for re-export to third countries. All countries in the region have regulations to control the harvesting and production of safrole-rich oils, including export and import. In Cambodia, Laos and Burma, these measures apply to all non-timber forest products; only China and Vietnam have specific legislation. The increased control in China and Vietnam, the two major trading countries, seems to have shifted production to countries were controls are less strict and law enforcement capacity is low, such as Burma, Laos and Cambodia. The National Narcotics Control Commission (NNCC) of China for instance reported the import of large quantities of safrole-rich oil from Burma in 2004-2006. Permits were issued by the Burmese authorities to companies to harvest wood for oil production at the Tamanthi Hydropower Project in the Chindwin River in Sagaing Division near the border with India, where a dam would eventually cause submersion of large tracks of land the area. Five companies were licensed and each operated about 50 small stills to produce 340 tonnes of thitkado oil for export to China. Illegal production of the oils and export to China also occurred; 115 tons were seized during 2002-2005 along smuggling routes from Sagaing Division to Yunnan. TNI research in 2008 found that thitkado oil is produced and traded in Kachin State. According to a Burmese government official, safrole-rich oils are produced in the country, but production is declining. He mentioned that trees in Kachin State were depleted. Since 1998, the main production area was the Nhkai Bum Mountains, but this area is nearly completely deforested. The main production areas now are the Danai, Hpakant and Inndawgyi regions in Kachin State, and the Hkam Ti region in Sagaing Division. The oil is bought by Chinese traders. According to a Kachin businessman, the Chinese market for thitkado oil is in Mangshi and Zhangkhong, a small border town north of Ruili and opposite of Mai Ja Yang. Most oil comes through Laiza, a border town controlled by the Kachin Independence Organisation (KIO), and some comes from Nawng Tau, a border town near Ruili where illegal timber logging moves across the border. The KIO prohibited thitkado production in the areas under its control in 2006. The wood had become scarce and producers had to go deep into the forest to find the remaining trees. Nevertheless, the KIO still gave permission to harvest trees occasionally. Prices are increasing, say several sources. Until 2007, one litre could be sold for 60 yuan, but due to the increased shortage of trees, the price increased to 90 yuan in 2008, according to a trader in Ruili. Most people involved in the harvesting of trees are unaware of its commercial use. Some erroneously suspected that it was used for yama, or methamphetamine. One thought it was used to make an atomic bomb, indicating the level of secrecy surrounding the trade. The main tree used nowadays, according to TNI researchers, is the Laukya Mwe, the Burmese name for the Schima wallichii or the Chinese guger tree or needle wood. Before it used to be the Payok pin, the Burmese name for the Cinnamomum camphora or Camphor tree. Another tree identified in Kachin State at the Chinese border is the Kum krung, very similar to Sassafras Tzumu, according to TNI researchers. Only the bark is used and sold in China. According to research in China, the bark of the Sassafras Tzumu has very high safrole content (97 percent). A Better Way Forward As noted, Safrole-rich oils are not only produced for the manufacturing of ecstasy, but are the raw materials for many legal products. Current safrole production is not meeting the market demand and the destructive extraction process raises serious concerns about the long-term availability of safrole. Preventing ecological damage and unsustainable harvesting of safrole-rich oils is urgently needed to preserve fragile ecosystems. However, burning illicitly produced oils will not contribute to a long-term solution, and might even be counterproductive. It is yet another example of a simple-minded law enforcement approach that also has not been effective to reach a sustainable decline in illicit opium cultivation—as has been described in the recent report “Withdrawal Symptoms in the Golden Triangle: A Drug Market in Disarray.” Lessons learned from alternative development programs to counter the illicit cultivation of opium in the region have to be taken into account to design an effective policy. Eradication of unsustainable safrole-rich oil production only makes sense when viable and sustainable alternatives are in place. A more effective approach would be to involve all stakeholders: The people now implicated in the harvesting, who need to be educated on sustainable harvesting and distilling methods; the chemical industry, which needs to produce raw materials in a responsible, environmentally friendly way; academic institutes involved in developing alternative plants and harvesting methods; and development organizations to fund and design alternative development programs for environmentally friendly and sustainable production of safrole-rich oil. For more information: http://www.tni.org/en/archives/know/288, by Tom Kramer, Martin Jelsma and Tom Blickman; Transnational Institute, January 2009. www.irrawaddy.org
Tom Blickman is a researcher with Transnational Institute.
When the member posts that "mdma is derived from tree roots" I'm thinking he is expressing what he has read?
MDMA is to tree roots what poppies are to heroin...what E-Coli is to serostim(jintropin had a patent on ecoli derived somatropin)....most pharmaceuticals are modeled after(synthetic) or derived directly from the plant world.
Saffrol does have a unique and distinct smell to it. The plant is also going to be an issue if you are apprehended in the commission of manufacturing/synthesizing mdma. I believe it is a precursor(correct characterization) and is definitely a part of the process of creating the illicit street drug. Saffrol is easily had in Thailand, among other spots on the globe.
Ecstasy and things related to ecstasy had a huge influence on many court cases in our United States in the 90's.
Among them....RAW DEAL(ketamine manufactured in factories that also made Mexican vet gear was the catalyst to raw deal)...pill presses that press aas became watched or listed items because of the # of home made ecstasy tabs. Christ, even the parts used to repair presses are need to be documented and forwarded to the DEA every time things change hands. Similar to firearms and their sale....many others.
I was incarcerated with an LSD manufacturer. He is about 10yrs younger than my 43yrs. He lent me Shulgin's book and taught me a great deal about research chems. His girl and a young lady that migrated to the Northwest from the Northeast were crucial in our introducing RC's, known to the general public as "Bath Salts" into a federal prison. Guys would presumptively piss hot for PCP/amphetamine/cocain/thc(spice) then be vindicated when the piss was labbed. These RC's were molecularly a tad different than their relatives found on a 10 panel piss test. MDVP, BZP, MCE are a few of my favorites that we sold and used in prison and in halfway houses in 2010 and 11. I gotta go....my girl wants attention.
MDMA is to tree roots what poppies are to heroin...what E-Coli is to serostim(jintropin had a patent on ecoli derived somatropin)....most pharmaceuticals are modeled after(synthetic) or derived directly from the plant world.
Saffrol does have a unique and distinct smell to it. The plant is also going to be an issue if you are apprehended in the commission of manufacturing/synthesizing mdma. I believe it is a precursor(correct characterization) and is definitely a part of the process of creating the illicit street drug. Saffrol is easily had in Thailand, among other spots on the globe.
Ecstasy and things related to ecstasy had a huge influence on many court cases in our United States in the 90's.
Among them....RAW DEAL(ketamine manufactured in factories that also made Mexican vet gear was the catalyst to raw deal)...pill presses that press aas became watched or listed items because of the # of home made ecstasy tabs. Christ, even the parts used to repair presses are need to be documented and forwarded to the DEA every time things change hands. Similar to firearms and their sale....many others.
I was incarcerated with an LSD manufacturer. He is about 10yrs younger than my 43yrs. He lent me Shulgin's book and taught me a great deal about research chems. His girl and a young lady that migrated to the Northwest from the Northeast were crucial in our introducing RC's, known to the general public as "Bath Salts" into a federal prison. Guys would presumptively piss hot for PCP/amphetamine/cocain/thc(spice) then be vindicated when the piss was labbed. These RC's were molecularly a tad different than their relatives found on a 10 panel piss test. MDVP, BZP, MCE are a few of my favorites that we sold and used in prison and in halfway houses in 2010 and 11. I gotta go....my girl wants attention.
TheNeWkID
New Member
Love your post bigger, I am not sure where this discussion spiraled out of control. I think he misunderstood my first post and took it as if I was saying they were popping Molly's back in the 70s for therapy. I am from the old school. Molly is the name for pure MDMA. That is where the name came from 10 years ago or more. As much as the term is slung around today if I refer to pure MDMA I just call it molly. I am not debating the fact that now days most molly is just garbage bs. My wording or verbage may not always be correct but I would never just make shit up. I hope this clears this up
TheNeWkID
New Member
And man do I remember raw deal. There was major pushing of tornel/brovel/sten/sustanon redi-jects and getting top dollar for them back in high school. 
The Feds laid the hammer down on several "VET" sources named above. No days vet means ugl.
The Feds laid the hammer down on several "VET" sources named above. No days vet means ugl.
TheNeWkID
New Member
My first cycle was 400 brovel test and 200 norandren 50. That is 4 cc of norandren a week. Pip was out of control. Man I was a dumbass back then. If it was a supposive steroid. I wanted it
Psychedelic Drugs ‘Safe as Riding a Bike or Playing Soccer’
http://www.newsweek.com/psychedelic-drugs-safe-riding-bike-or-playing-soccer-318828
Psychedelic drugs like MDMA and magic mushrooms are as safe as riding a bike or playing soccer, and bans against them are “inconsistent with human rights”, according to the authors of a letter published in the Lancet Psychiatry Journal today.
http://www.newsweek.com/psychedelic-drugs-safe-riding-bike-or-playing-soccer-318828
Psychedelic drugs like MDMA and magic mushrooms are as safe as riding a bike or playing soccer, and bans against them are “inconsistent with human rights”, according to the authors of a letter published in the Lancet Psychiatry Journal today.
Psychedelics are for sure not as safe as playing football... Biggest problem is people do not use enough caution when approaching the inner gates of their mind. Myself, Molly and Lucy have been together for many years no problems caused, but I know of people who fuck up fast and firm and often end up in a place you wouldn't like to ever be forced into. Addiction is another problem, while the substance in question rarely presents addicting properties the prospect of being joyful for extended periods of time causes trouble often with inexperienced users and in turn leads to my 1st point, overuse causing OD. As long as people understand we are not speaking bananas here but actual powerful chemicals and proceed with caution I think most of "oldschool" drugs are safe (phen/trypts at least, but not all), now RCs are entirely on another lvl but if our governments are not full of shit nobody would really venture far into their perplexed domain... Opioids... let's put it people just have to stare into oblivion sometimes, it's like that kid using oral tren alone...
MANWHORE
Subscriber
At the Paladium we used to get wafers. . Biscuits and those things were strong
MDMA, Molly, Ecstasy are the same. People use different names to make themselves look funky or what not, but it's the same substance. Now for a fact in many countries Ecstasy pills are not made of MDMA, but it has nothing to do with what is what but with people who make them. For example in countries like Netherlands 99% of the pills you can get are tested and only contain MDMA, filler like caffeine or even dextrose, coloring. Further east you go from there lots and lots of pills contain just amphetamine hence why people often mix up the effects of MDMA. MDMA is not a stimulant, it's effect is best described as a "roll" what users call it, not a high like cocaine. I think further confusion could be people taking MDA for MDMA, MDA is a lot harder and more psychedelic compound compared with MDMA, but I have no proof of said confusion. But remember, in a shady business such as this names usually mean close to nothing, lab tests on the other hand do. Ever since the scheduling of most psychedelics (also not a perfect generalization, MDMA is an empathogen/entactogen rather) people come up with replacements to circumvent law until next compound gets banned, a popular practice regarding lysergamides in the UK.
TheNeWkID
New Member
I agree with the above post but backtracking to the docs post yours dont have relevence everything you are saying does not apply. If said subject makes a claim that taking MDMA and shrooms is as safe as riding a bike you can't base your argument off kids who get killed or fucked up from fake pills and drugs. That's like saying Watson testosterone is not safe cause a guy lost his leg from bad ugl testosterone. I am no expert but this I can tell you. I used to eat rolls in high school. More than I should of now that I know what I know. I ate acid and ate shrooms alot. I'm 34 years old now. I made $158,000 last year and I passed the CWI exam on my first try. A close friend of mine took the the exam with me and failed by a large margin. He got his PE (professional engineer) degree from auburn and is crazy smart. I passed and he failed. Do I think this makes me smarter than him? No. I know he is smarter than me but I damn sure put in the work to pass the exam where he didnt. My point is here. I used to be a raver/doper and my brain is just fine. If you take MDMA and let serotonin levels restore to correct levels you will be fine. If you don't. 
your fucked
your fucked
My 2 posts are separate in meaning, 1st one was for doc, 2nd one for A-a-Ron. I am aware it's not a drug's fault it's creator mislabelled it, my point is if one gets addicted to playing football worst is gonna be sore legs, one gets addicted to MDMA... I am all for better regulation, but it is still nowhere safe for people to openly buy and use such compounds. For me worst PR is the fact most of people who yell "legalize it" are just regular junkies not people backing up their claims based upon real data. Lots of these drugs have high potential for intellectual and creativity enhancement, how many people use them for such purpose you think? I hate how our governments "control" (read prohibit) our chances for improvement, but I can partially understand because I have seen a fair share of zombies in reality...
A-a-Ron
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The substance kids today call "Molly" is in no way, shape or form like pure MDMA or the hodgepodge of drugs I took in the '90s that was known as ecstasy. The drug kids take today that they call Molly is a joke. I knew a bouncer at a club who sold the shit out of "Molly" and he gave me a bag of some crystal shit he said was pure MDMA. I looked at him funny and asked what it was because it looked just like meth. He said don't worry it's just pure. Long story short, I had a very disappointing night with my girlfriend who was prepared to fuck all night. And it wasn't just this one guys stuff. Apparently this is the shit all the young kids take and call Molly. Like everything today's youth does, it for a generation of pussies.
@Mayne..you need to stop arguing on this thread bro sorry but your probably one of those guys who wishes they had done the drug and now figure I mine as well just say NO to drugs..your on a fucking board talking about AAS AKA Drugs! wtf are you doing here if you are so against it..and its funny because if you took some MDMA you would come back to the board WITH VASOLINE SHOVED UP YOUR NOSE LISTENING TO DAFT PUNK AROUND THE WORLD WITH 2 BINKIS IN YOUR MOUTH AND LOVING THE WORLD! mabe you should give it a shot it will change your perspective on everything. Exctacy is legal in Spain and that's amazing because I never here anything crazy happening in Spain why because everyone is always happy!! So top crying about the MDMA and jump on board and let's go meet THE WALRUS TOGETHER...ILL TAKE YOU BRO..
Oh crap, didn't know about the situation there. It looks like just another case like when people call every fucking strain of weed "dutch", at least here in Europe where dutch are renowned for growing best strains... it's the scene to blame then once again, Molly, funny enough even @wikipedia is a slang for MDMA, pity it has taken a turn for worse... I am sure you got some new RC mimicking MDMA, plenty of those everywhere now, for example check 5-MAPB, I believe it is still legal in the states and widely offered for MDMA, but is not. At least you have not requested Lucy, you would likely have hit a harder brick then, lol.
What in the fuck... I openly admitted having done both MDMA and LSD for years extensively but you call me out being against it? Not sure exactly what you gathered out of my opinions, but it is completely wrong.
No Lucy here..I've already been down the yellow brick road I'm good LONG TIME AGO..
Oh my apologies....
Anyway more interesting to others could be the practice in the UK, there is an actual university lab with proper equipment pumping out lysergamides. Looks like these folks caught a niche in the law and for a period of a few years at a time brits can have their legal Lucy. I have tried one of the substances in question and by no means is it any worse than the stuff Fear and loathing in Las Vegas puts into people's curiosity At least some of these new RC drugs come close to pharma grade
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