Deadlifts are they worth it?

[BG75]

just wanted to know from some some of you guys on meso. Are deadlifts still worth it in any back routine? Over the years I have found deadlifts a major part of my back workouts. But overtime and two herniated disc later I've come to learn that there are alternatives to training your Lower back and still getting the mass that deadlifts offer. So now I train with not deadlifts in my routine and still have a great deal of mass strength in my lower back. So I pose the question. Are they worth it and do you really need them to to achieve the mass that you want.

 

[Docd187123]

For size and aesthetics you can get by without them.

For strength, power, and overall athletic ability no. There is no substitute.

 

[ruckin]

For size and aesthetics you can get by without them.

For strength, power, and overall athletic ability no. There is no substitute.

This ^

Also, in my experience I've found that rep-for-rep, no exercise will build as much muscle and strength in your back and hamstrings. They are replacable for purely muscle building purposes with other exercises as doc said, but you'll need more volume on those replacements than you would if you just did deads for the same goal.

 

[insertnamehere]

I can't live without deads in my life. I just can't.

 

[Docd187123]

I can't live without deads in my life. I just can't.

You see why I'm such an angry person lately?!

 

[insertnamehere]

You see why I'm such an angry person lately?!

Yes, I do. I feel for you buddy!

 

[slashlove]

I thing deadlifts are a good exercise...for crossfit as well...


"Pain is temporary, Pride is forever»

 

[Dr__Jan_Itor]

I had problems deadlifting too when i had it in my back Routine. I moved it to my leg day and by back problems got better. I think This is due to better recovery time instead of hitting the lower back 2x per week with back and legs You just hit it once. It will Take some time to get used to it but for me the Change was worth it.
Also it benefitted my leg strength and size.

 

[Demondosage]

Some people have bodies that just don't perform these movements well. It's almost like the way their body is proportioned or set up, no matter how good their form is, it just doesn't feel like an natural movement. I have a friend who has been working out about 20 years and he has never been able to do deadlifts very well at all.

 

[Docd187123]

Some people have bodies that just don't perform these movements well. It's almost like the way their body is proportioned or set up, no matter how good their form is, it just doesn't feel like an natural movement. I have a friend who has been working out about 20 years and he has never been able to do deadlifts very well at all.

And for those ppl sumo was invented lol. Has your friend tried sumo pulling?

 

[MindlessWork]

And for those ppl sumo was invented lol. Has your friend tried sumo pulling?

I pull sumo style myself...well worth it even as I have some back issues myself.

 

[BG75]

Some people have bodies that just don't perform these movements well. It's almost like the way their body is proportioned or set up, no matter how good their form is, it just doesn't feel like an natural movement. I have a friend who has been working out about 20 years and he has never been able to do deadlifts very well at all.

Yeah that's how feel. Don't know if it's my body mechanics of having a long torso and short legs. But the deadlifts has always been a bad exercise for me

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I haven't done deadlifts in at least 8 years. I'm not lacking anything they used to provide

 

[jaymaximus]

Ive always had bad mechanics. Also I had a bad back. Got a hernia while deployed once that i never got looked at. Having said that i did 2 things.
1. Switched DLs to leg day. That way I wasnt sore on leg day from doing them.
2. Trap bar DLs. Helps a lot with bad form (like I have).

 

[insertnamehere]

Ive always had bad mechanics. Also I had a bad back. Got a hernia while deployed once that i never got looked at. Having said that i did 2 things.
1. Switched DLs to leg day. That way I wasnt sore on leg day from doing them.
2. Trap bar DLs. Helps a lot with bad form (like I have).

I know this is going to make me sound like a dick but I don't know how to say it any other way...trap bar deadlifts are not deadlifts. The only resemblance is that there isn't an eccentric unless touch and go is employed. Other wise, they are more similar to squats based on the bars relation to the body.

Have you tried sumo deads? If so, does it aggravate your hernia?

 

[jaymaximus]

I know this is going to make me sound like a dick but I don't know how to say it any other way...trap bar deadlifts are not deadlifts. The only resemblance is that there isn't an eccentric unless touch and go is employed. Other wise, they are more similar to squats based on the bars relation to the body.

Have you tried sumo deads? If so, does it aggravate your hernia?

Its all good. I just do them for the motion. I havent tried sumo. Ill look it up. Not too knowledgable. I told Doc in another thread, but Im looking into changing up and starting a PL routine/training. Ive been at the same "bodybuilding" type routine for 7 years and its gotten old. Im still figuring out where to begin. Ill probably be in here trying to pick your brain about that too

 

[Xlgx]

I know this is going to make me sound like a dick but I don't know how to say it any other way...trap bar deadlifts are not deadlifts. The only resemblance is that there isn't an eccentric unless touch and go is employed. Other wise, they are more similar to squats based on the bars relation to the body.

Have you tried sumo deads? If so, does it aggravate your hernia?

That's not accurate. Trap bar deads are a good substitute for those that can't do conventional deads. Some of these bars have two sets of handles. I like to use the higher handles for more of a dead lift pattern and the lower handles to put an extra emphasis on the quads.

 

[insertnamehere]

Its all good. I just do them for the motion. I havent tried sumo. Ill look it up. Not too knowledgable. I told Doc in another thread, but Im looking into changing up and starting a PL routine/training. Ive been at the same "bodybuilding" type routine for 7 years and its gotten old. Im still figuring out where to begin. Ill probably be in here trying to pick your brain about that too

I wish I would have started a powerlifting routine long ago. I made some progress with BB routines, but not anywhere close like I did when I starting focusing on getting strong.

If you want some information or advice about deciding what direction to head in and why, just make a thread here in this sub forum and we'll be happy to help.

 

[jaymaximus]

I wish I would have started a powerlifting routine long ago. I made some progress with BB routines, but not anywhere close like I did when I starting focusing on getting strong.

If you want some information or advice about deciding what direction to head in and why, just make a thread here in this sub forum and we'll be happy to help.

I plan on starting a log here in the next month or so. Once I get settled into my new place and have some time to do some real research.
Its kind of a mind f*ck though, starting back from the bottom and working my way back up. I know i have to get my form straight before anything (thats how I got my hernia). Its going to suck being in the gym with so little weight on the bar when im used to going big.
But thanks. Any help is always appreciated. Ill stop hijacking this thread now.

 

[insertnamehere]

That's not accurate. Trap bar deads are a good substitute for those that can't do conventional deads. Some of these bars have two sets of handles. I like to use the higher handles for more of a dead lift pattern and the lower handles to put an extra emphasis on the quads.

Its pretty accurate. While I agree that trap bar deads are a good substitute for those who can't conventional deadlift safely otherwise, I will still recommend trying sumos as a replacement to conventional first.

Both of those handles, whether higher or lower are still along the sides of your body, not the front, making it more like a squat in relation to center of mass under weighted load. The mechanism for moving that weighted load are like a squat with the only similarity being the initial concentric movement. Then its more like pin squats.