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Deadlifts are they worth it?

jaymaximus said:
I plan on starting a log here in the next month or so. Once I get settled into my new place and have some time to do some real research.
Its kind of a mind f*ck though, starting back from the bottom and working my way back up. I know i have to get my form straight before anything (thats how I got my hernia). Its going to suck being in the gym with so little weight on the bar when im used to going big.
But thanks. Any help is always appreciated. Ill stop hijacking this thread now.
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You're going to have to check the ego at the door if you want to learn these movement patterns correctly. I started with just the bar on squats and bench.

I don't know what was worse, squatting the bar, or squatting the bar with 2.5s on each end...the 2.5s...that was definitely more embarrassing. lol

Yeah, start a log when you're ready. I suggest a brainstorming thread prior to that though. It will help get things narrowed down and organized first.
 
Xlgx said:
That's not accurate. Trap bar deads are a good substitute for those that can't do conventional deads. Some of these bars have two sets of handles. I like to use the higher handles for more of a dead lift pattern and the lower handles to put an extra emphasis on the quads.
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Bc the weight in a trap bar deadlift is centered around the center of mass of the body and not in front like in a deadlift, the mechanics make it more similar to a squat than a deadlift. It's basically like starting a squat in the hole
 
jaymaximus said:
Its all good. I just do them for the motion. I havent tried sumo. Ill look it up. Not too knowledgable. I told Doc in another thread, but Im looking into changing up and starting a PL routine/training. Ive been at the same "bodybuilding" type routine for 7 years and its gotten old. Im still figuring out where to begin. Ill probably be in here trying to pick your brain about that too
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When you're ready to make the switch.....
 
The OP poses a legitimate question about what BB do to gain mass bc if you think doing deads at 500 lbs and greater is good for ones spine your MISTAKEN.

I will tell you many BB I see are addicted to controlled substances in part bc of the trauma their body has endured bc of years of HEAVY LIFTING and quite a few have had multiple "back surgeries" with limited benefit IMO
 
Dr JIM said:
The OP poses a legitimate question about what BB do to gain mass bc if you think doing deads at 500 lbs and greater is good for ones spine your MISTAKEN.

I will tell you many BB I see are addicted to controlled substances in part bc of the trauma their body has endured bc of years of HEAVY LIFTING.
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Nobody jumps into a 500lb deadlift from the beginning unless they're a freak of nature or an idiot. To build up to a 500lb deadlift the spine receives just as much stimulus to strengthen as does the rest of the body. I have managed to alleviate most of my past back pain by progressively loading deadlifts making my back and spine stronger. I agree there's numerous addicts in BB and PL but it's not solely due to the weight used but bc they're pushing the envelope constantly to be better than the next guy.
 

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Docd187123 said:
Nobody jumps into a 500lb deadlift from the beginning unless they're a freak of nature or an idiot. To build up to a 500lb deadlift the spine receives just as much stimulus to strengthen as does the rest of the body. I have managed to alleviate most of my past back pain by progressively loading deadlifts making my back and spine stronger. I agree there's numerous addicts in BB and PL but it's not solely due to the weight used but bc they're pushing the envelope constantly to be better than the next guy.
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I agree Progressive weight loading is definitely the way to go. Your right nobody does 500 lbs deadlifts out the gate. But one thing I have noticed with most guys and even myself. When you get on the juice you tend to push yourself waaaaay past the point of of normal logic and go into the realm of egotistical insanity. For most guys deadlifts is soooo much base on ego. For me at my age it's no of those things now. I just feel like there other things that can be done to develop a strong and powerful back in a safer way. But I will not deny that there is no other compound exercise like the deadlift.
 
BG75 said:
I agree Progressive weight loading is definitely the way to go. Your right nobody does 500 lbs deadlifts out the gate. But one thing I have noticed with most guys and even myself. When you get on the juice you tend to push yourself waaaaay past the point of of normal logic and go into the realm of egotistical insanity. For most guys deadlifts is soooo much base on ego. For me at my age it's no of those things now. I just feel like there other things that can be done to develop a strong and power back in a safer way. But I will not deny that there is no other compound exercise like the deadlift.
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I agree on guys pushing themselves that's why I tried making the distinction. It's not really the weight but the lifter and their abilities. One cannot arbitrarily say a 500lb deadlift is bad for the back bc Konstantinovs doing a 500lb deadlift is very different than the soccer mom across the street trying one lol.

The thing with the deadlift is it gets touted as a back exercise when it's primarily a hamstring, glute, and spinal erector exercise. Sure much more musculature is involved but the deadlift is a core and posterior chain lift first and foremost. You may very well be able to get size from other lifts but no other "back" exercises will get you the same strength, power, explosion, or athleticism as deadlifts or it's variant lifts.
 
I use to be able to deadlift 495 and never had a back problems. It would get a little sore but no serious problems. But 3 yrs ago u broke my back and I am fused from L1 through S1. I started deadifting again in January and last Friday I did 205 pounds for 5reps, 5 sets. It was easy I could have probably could have done 10 reps for the 5 sets. But I only go up 5 pounds a week and stick to the reps. So my back can get use to the weight. I think deadlift have actually help my back. Not in as much pain since I started deadifting again. Now squats I have to be real careful they hurt my lower back. But I still do them
 
Damn bro. That's crazy. Wish you safe and injury free workouts. I have suffered from numerous injuries and joint problems. So I know!!
 
Egotistical insanity, yep well said. BB is like any other sport conditioning and training correctly are the key to limiting injuries and with that comes success.

It's pretty amazing how rapidly SOME can benefit from the use of AAS and other PEDs, especially the larger muscle groups but the growth of MS supportive structures, ligaments, tendons, fascia and joint capsules takes considerably longer.

It's this type of premature joint stress that can be a recipe for disaster, IMO
 
Yes in deed. See I wanna look good. But what is looking good gonna help if your in a wheel chair cause of misuse of weight training and have wore out your joints.
 
What is up with all the people perceiving deadlift as a "must 1 rm half a metric ton or it's pointless" kinda exercise? You can just as easily fuck yourself up benching or squatting... Use lighter weight and work on form if afraid of injury but do not discredit one of the best exercises there is altogether...
 
BG75 said:
I agree Progressive weight loading is definitely the way to go. Your right nobody does 500 lbs deadlifts out the gate. But one thing I have noticed with most guys and even myself. When you get on the juice you tend to push yourself waaaaay past the point of of normal logic and go into the realm of egotistical insanity. For most guys deadlifts is soooo much base on ego. For me at my age it's no of those things now. I just feel like there other things that can be done to develop a strong and powerful back in a safer way. But I will not deny that there is no other compound exercise like the deadlift.
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Egotistical Insanity ? Love that expression . I'm guilty , all the time . Most of here live one rep away from the ER...:rolleyes:
 
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