Deca and Winny - 50 Year Old

[Buzza]

Hi.... In the early nineties.... I competed (did quite well)... I was around 25-26. I am now training again (49 years old now) and equally thinking of competing again... maybe masters in a couple of years.

20 plus years of bad food, little exercise and laziness has had an effect on me that now I have woken up to myself and got me back on track... I was up to 115 kg of fat ass boombah....

After 4 months now of strict eating and exercise, I have got down to 93kg... (178cm) still overweight... but getting there.

When I competed, I was on Deca and Winstrol....moderate doses (400-500mg from memory) and no Test at all... (well it was the early nineties) and am thinking of doing the same cycle... (do what you know I suppose).... I had no sexual issues.... no side effects... overall it was all good. I also didn't do any PCT... what was that back then ? ;-)

My question is... due to my age.... and possible low Test... (having BW done tomorrow)... would this be a viable option as I know it worked with no sides before. ???

Pics below are comp pics from 1993

Thanks Guys....

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[Gunrunner]

You're an old man like me and you've out of cycling for a while. So you need to start like a newbie to this and as an old newbie at that.

You want a basic cycle of just Test. Deca is harder on an old man but a little may help if you have any joint pains. But for your first cycle you should use Test. Winnie will dry your joints out and again not good for an old guy.

Let us know what your lab numbers are.

 

[nophat]

You make me feel young.im not old at 42,but its good to see people return.
Ive never run winny,I have low body fat and have a hard time retaining water.
When i run dbol,adrol all i get is stronger.
the dudes on here have some great exp with hormones.gunrunner being one of them! Stick with it brother and welcome back to the IRON

 

[nophat]

No disrespect Gunrunner!!
your avatar makes me realize the test is working.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Welcome back to the Iron brother!

 

[gymrat827]

drop the winny and you ll be fine.

once you are ready for a show use it....til than, hold off.

 

[cvictorg]

What blood work are you having done?

Complete lipid panel
Complete thyroid panel
CBC, etc

OR

just free and total testosterone

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

Ur balls will shink and ull be shutdown hard after using wini and deca ...just make sure you got a seriously good pct

 

[Buzza]

Test, Free Test, Thyroid. PSA. FBE, E/Lft's, HDL, Urine M/C/S

 

[Buzza]

I understand that the stats say that it will shut me down... but why did it NOT do that when I was younger ???.... I "performed" quite well in that region whilst on this stack.
Now.... ;-) I am 50, have a busy job, 2 kids, a busy wife, get to "play" once a week... which is fine by me... I am not THAT worried about reduced performance for a few months.... so... is Deca dick the only issue with this ?....

 

[cvictorg]

Test, Free Test, Thyroid. PSA. FBE, E/Lft's, HDL, Urine M/C/S

Have a lipid panel done - either NMR or VAP - before AND after

I would also advise you to monitor your blood pressure

http://www.mybwmc.org/library/41/089900
Nandrolone Official FDA information, side effects and uses.
Nandrolone decanoate Deca-durabolin - mrsupplement.com.au, Austral
Nandrolone Decanoate can have serious effects on the cardiovascular system. Like other steroids, it can raise the blood pressure, often to dangerous levels. High blood pressure is a risk factor for various conditions such as heart disease, kidney disease and aneurysm (1). It causes changes in blood lipid levels, raising the level of LDL (bad) cholesterol, which can lead to the development of atherosclerosis (7). It can make the blood more likely to clot, heightening the risk of stroke (8), and cause the left ventricle walls of the heart to enlarge, which can lead to heart failure (9).

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I understand that the stats say that it will shut me down... but why did it NOT do that when I was younger ???.... I "performed" quite well in that region whilst on this stack.
Now.... ;-) I am 50, have a busy job, 2 kids, a busy wife, get to "play" once a week... which is fine by me... I am not THAT worried about reduced performance for a few months.... so... is Deca dick the only issue with this ?....

well deca will give you deca dick ...but you say you did that "stack" so im assuming you did winstrol with it and the winstrol will help you be able to get hard and boner with the deca ...like taking test even if your balls are basically totally gone if your taking testosterone injections you can still get hard boner and have sex
why not do test with the deca? i mean you RE ALREADY GOING TO BE INJECTING DECA SO WHY NOT INJECT TESTOSTERONE WITH IT??? PLUS TEST IS SUPER CHEAP MAN !

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

I understand that the stats say that it will shut me down... but why did it NOT do that when I was younger ???.... I "performed" quite well in that region whilst on this stack.
Now.... ;-) I am 50, have a busy job, 2 kids, a busy wife, get to "play" once a week... which is fine by me... I am not THAT worried about reduced performance for a few months.... so... is Deca dick the only issue with this ?....

well deca will give you deca dick ...but you say you did that "stack" so im assuming you did winstrol with it and the winstrol will help you be able to get hard and boner with the deca ...like taking test even if your balls are basically totally gone if your taking testosterone injections you can still get hard boner and have sex
why not do test with the deca? i mean you RE ALREADY GOING TO BE INJECTING DECA SO WHY NOT INJECT TESTOSTERONE WITH IT??? PLUS TEST IS SUPER CHEAP MAN !

 

[beezil]

buzz,

do some recon on NPP. its a shorter ester nandrolone.
Im thinking of giving it a run in place of deca...

of course i will still use Test P as base... at low doses... just to keep the libido online.


save the winni pre contest... its hard on the joints. I won't even mess with the stuff anymore...

 

[Buzza]

OK... so now the goal posts have changed.... the stack is now Deca and Test e.... again... 50 years old.... have not used since 1993.... is this a good stack.. will I need PCT... remember that I had NO SIDES on my last cycles.... advice appreciated.

 

[Dr JIM]

PLS that's VERY sound advice mate and ON SPOT!

At 50 years using DECA is absolutely foolish, IMO (for the reason lab founder mentioned)

Why are u wanting to cycle with Deca........ I bet we have all heard it before,

jim

 

[Buzza]

OK... Goal posts have changed... got my bloods back....

everything is fine for my age... urea is up a small amount but I probably put that down to a diet of high protein.

The interesting thing is... as expected... for a 50 y/o... test is low... :
Testo: - 7 nmol/L (10.0 - 33.0)
fTesto: - 19 pmol/L (40.0 - 100.0)

Sooooo.... he (the Doc) has sent me to a endocrinologist for possible TRT as I told him that I have a lack of libido... ;-)... (which surprises me... as the opposite is true... but for the sake of the task at hand...)

What should I tell the doc so he doesn't see through my alterior motive ?... I reckon he will anyways...

and.... what dose do you think he will put me on if he does decide to treat my "decreased libido" ?

Is this good...?
Cheers

 

[Pericles]

Are you in Brisbane CA, or Australia? In the US in general, all you need is the low total T and any decent doc, even a FP will write the script (although he will probably want to start you on gel which is mostly worthless IMO).

I may have missed it, but are you getting Hematocrit monitored?

In regards to age/time, I also competed in the early 90's. However protocols were being developed for pct. Dan Duchain was touting Clomiphene Citrates ability to restore the Pit/Hypo chain. I ran HCG and Clomid/Nolva.

The difference for guys our age now, our endocrine systems do not bounce back the way they did 20 plus years ago. Deca will greatly exacerbate this problem. I run deca at the beginning of my cycle to heal injuries. I then switch to NPP as deca will affect Mr Johnson for many weeks.

If I were you, go w/ test, 500 mgs/week as your base. Run deca from the beginning for 3-4 weeks @300/wk, then NPP for 3-4 weeks. Then, swap out the deca for winstrol for 3 weeks or so. Remove winny, then do 400/300 test for 2 more weeks. I would run a power pct, 1500 IU's of HCG e2d for 2-3 weeks, then SERMS for 3 weeks.