Deca dosing?

[bigpoppachump2]

I’ve only ever ran deca for a semi short period of time till I went with the faster acting brother NPP and never looked back.

I’m getting things together to do an older man’s “safer” cycle on top of my 125mg test cyp trt dose. I’m gonna go back to doing a 4 week on 4 week off cycle schedule with test prop at 350mg a week I’ve done this many times and loved the results and mental state when I did. I’ve stacked my 350mg prop off and on with NPP at the same dose and the results were pretty damn good.

The question im getting at is this: I’m thinking of running deca full time with my trt dose for roughly 6 months for the joints etc but I would also like to get some of the anabolic effects from the deca as well. What would be the lowest dose deca that would help build a slow steady gain in muscle? I know the main guys in 70s and early 80s ran low dose deca and built some quality physiques off it stacked with primo and other low dose orals etc

Right now I’m thing 200mg a week of deca for 6 months tops. There are some heart and artery sides that do make me nervous with deca so I’m looking for some info here from the guys

 

[readalot]

Right now I’m thing 200mg a week of deca for 6 months tops. There are some heart and artery sides that do make me nervous with deca so I’m looking for some info here from the guys

Twice: Have done 16 weeks of ND at less than 200 mg/week on top of 100 - 150 mg/week Test cyp.

Third time: ramped up to 400 mg/week over 10 weeks just recently on top of 70 mg/week Test Cyp. Tapped out and narrowly avoided disaster.

Never again. Any of the heart/endothelial concerns pale to the mental sides for me. I realize the individual response can be quite variable. I prefer to stay out of involuntary treatment program for nymphomania. It's insanity.

 

[Grey Spartan]

I just picked up a kit of deca because my buddy is prescribed 200mg Test-C with 200mg deca (I know crazy doses for TRT). He has been on this protocol for 2 years and making great gains so I figured I would give deca a shot. I plan on starting at 100mg a week to start to go with my 150mg Test-C. I will check my blood work before going up.

 

[NotHuman]

I’ve only ever ran deca for a semi short period of time till I went with the faster acting brother NPP and never looked back.

I’m getting things together to do an older man’s “safer” cycle on top of my 125mg test cyp trt dose. I’m gonna go back to doing a 4 week on 4 week off cycle schedule with test prop at 350mg a week I’ve done this many times and loved the results and mental state when I did. I’ve stacked my 350mg prop off and on with NPP at the same dose and the results were pretty damn good.

The question im getting at is this: I’m thinking of running deca full time with my trt dose for roughly 6 months for the joints etc but I would also like to get some of the anabolic effects from the deca as well. What would be the lowest dose deca that would help build a slow steady gain in muscle? I know the main guys in 70s and early 80s ran low dose deca and built some quality physiques off it stacked with primo and other low dose orals etc

Right now I’m thing 200mg a week of deca for 6 months tops. There are some heart and artery sides that do make me nervous with deca so I’m looking for some info here from the guys

I decided to use Deca for the joint/pain relief and figured I’d use 200mg to get anabolic benefits in addition to that. Been on it for 15 weeks now. It has completely eliminated most of my joint/pain issues.

I can’t say I have had any negatives or side effects on 200mg. I probably wouldn’t be comfortable going higher for the possible cardiac risks you mentioned. The harmful heart studies were on rats that used doses around 1g per week what the human equivalent would be.

We know 200mg is safe for at least four weeks. Too bad this study didn’t go longer

Effects of testosterone and nandrolone on cardiac function: a randomized, placebo-controlled study - PubMed

Four weeks of treatment with testosterone or nandrolone had no beneficial or adverse effects compared with placebo on cardiac function in healthy young men.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not that it is necessary in any way, but I am dosing it daily btw with my testosterone, so I am using 30mg per day to get to 210mg per week.

 

[readalot]

The harmful heart studies were on rats that used doses around 1g per week what the human equivalent would be.

Not exhaustive but you can see the range of HEDs here:

TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building

A key degree of freedom (that makes your question difficult to answer with a reasonable degree of confidence) is time. Chronic toxicity or acute toxicity? The figure above, while simplified, is instructive as an introduction. Add time above to make a 3d plot which would consider chronic...

www.excelmale.com

 

[narta]

Anabolic effects start as low as 50mg per week.

I would say 100mg is fine

 

[NotHuman]

Not exhaustive but you can see the range of HEDs here:

TRT to Supraphysiological Levels for Body Building

A key degree of freedom (that makes your question difficult to answer with a reasonable degree of confidence) is time. Chronic toxicity or acute toxicity? The figure above, while simplified, is instructive as an introduction. Add time above to make a 3d plot which would consider chronic...

www.excelmale.com

Damn, those are lower HED than I thought. I was watching a Man Medicine video where he said they were about 1g HED

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Damn, those are lower HED than I thought. I was watching a Man Medicine video where he said they were about 1g HED

if I recall correctly, Man Medicine sounded pretty concerned about the cardiac effects of Nandrolone. He was on 100mg per week but said he wanted to lower it to 50 to see if that still gives him the same benefits for pain relief.

I personally would not push Nandrolone above 100mg for TRT+ purposes. Instead, I would just increase the test or primo dose.

 

[NotHuman]

if I recall correctly, Man Medicine sounded pretty concerned about the cardiac effects of Nandrolone. He was on 100mg per week but said he wanted to lower it to 50 to see if that still gives him the same benefits for pain relief.

I personally would not push Nandrolone above 100mg for TRT+ purposes. Instead, I would just increase the test or primo dose.

Yea that’s pretty much what I recall as well. I’m inclined to agree that 200mg forever might be pushing the limits, even if it’s likely safe in the short term. I’m probably going to drop my own dose down to 100mg for long term use.

 

[xrayphoton13]

50mg/week is what my trt doc prescribes for joint pain relief. Start there. Go up if needed

 

[laclark89]

Twice: Have done 16 weeks of ND at less than 200 mg/week on top of 100 - 150 mg/week Test cyp.

Third time: ramped up to 400 mg/week over 10 weeks just recently on top of 70 mg/week Test Cyp. Tapped out and narrowly avoided disaster.

Like he said it all depends on the individual.
I have had some slight emotional issues with it in the past and even slight erectile issues, but I really love it and my joints do too.

I have it nailed down now though, trial and error. But for me like most recommend you have to have ur test double imo.

375 test 150 decca I can get some things done in the gym.

 

[OldGHGuy]

50mg works for me for joint relief and some (very) slight anabolic effects on top of TRT. Takes 4-6 weeks to start seeing the joint relief but for me it lasts beyond cessation/clearance. I am a hyper responder though

 

[notyourpal]

I just picked up a kit of deca because my buddy is prescribed 200mg Test-C with 200mg deca (I know crazy doses for TRT). He has been on this protocol for 2 years and making great gains so I figured I would give deca a shot. I plan on starting at 100mg a week to start to go with my 150mg Test-C. I will check my blood work before going up.

why the fuck you call 200mg test and 200mg deca a trt?

 

[Grey Spartan]

why the fuck you call 200mg test and 200mg deca a trt?

Because that is what his TRT Doc is calling it. He goes to a real Doc not "Joey at the gym" or "Cream Of Someyoungguy UGL lab" Lol

 

[readalot]

why the fuck you call 200mg test and 200mg deca a trt?

This has been debated endlessly. I can share a few 5000 post threads if you like.

Lately I prefer the term legal androgen use lol.

LAU.

Aka

"TRT"
TRT+++
Etc

I am abusing my body with stanozolol right now since Mast isn't legally available. Is that harm reduction? Thanks US government!

 

[OldGHGuy]

This has been debated endlessly. I can share a few 5000 post threads if you like.

Lately I prefer the term legal androgen use lol.

LAU.

Aka

"TRT"
TRT+++
Etc

I am abusing my body with stanozolol right now since Mast isn't legally available. Is that harm reduction? Thanks US government!

Stanozolol - I haven't had any of that milky-white wonder (Winstrol-V) since the early 90's....straight from the vet at the horse track!

 

[laclark89]

Stanozolol - I haven't had any of that milky-white wonder (Winstrol-V) since the early 90's....straight from the vet at the horse track!

Is it not water based and how a lot of guys get infections? The injectable of course?

 

[narta]

Is it not water based and how a lot of guys get infections? The injectable of course?

Zambons ftmfw! And clogged syninges. And painfull shots. and infections.

 

[OldGHGuy]

This has been debated endlessly. I can share a few 5000 post threads if you like.

Lately I prefer the term legal androgen use lol.

LAU.

Aka

"TRT"
TRT+++
Etc

I am abusing my body with stanozolol right now since Mast isn't legally available. Is that harm reduction? Thanks US government!

Stanozolol - I haven't had any of that milky-white wonder since the early 90's....straight from the vet at the horse track!

Is it not water based and how a lot of guys get infections? The injectable of course?

Yes it's water based. Looks like milk with tiny floaters. I never had any infections but it did cure my lameness BA DUM CHING

 

[readalot]

Stanozolol - I haven't had any of that milky-white wonder (Winstrol-V) since the early 90's....straight from the vet at the horse track!

Buccal troche. Excellent delivery vehicle. Minty fresh.