Deca. Ends justify the means?

[Dr.V.P.C.]

Every summer for the last 5y i change my basic TRT to deca only (300mg) . Better than test in all aspects. Great mental and emotional feelings.

 

[TheBeast1]

I get this every time I nut. Its like i lose attraction to her immediately and want to get as far away as possible. Started when I was a teen. I will literally nut and be gone within 5 minutes. idk why im like this.

Definitely know that feel mate. PNC does that.

 

[anw]

So I agree, Deca for me is incredible, I feel good, happy go lucky. Tren no way. I lose my self respect. I see a dumpster chic and she's doable 3xs to ensure I was conscious (best out of 3) haha. I make terrible life decisions. So Nor19 isn't for everybody.

Have you tried NPP, instead? I understand they're the same compound and different ester. But NPP, affects me differently. Maybe this will be your solution? Food for thought

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

So I agree, Deca for me is incredible, I feel good, happy go lucky. Tren no way. I lose my self respect. I see a dumpster chic and she's doable 3xs to ensure I was conscious (best out of 3) haha. I make terrible life decisions. So Nor19 isn't for everybody.

Have you tried NPP, instead? I understand they're the same compound and different ester. But NPP, affects me differently. Maybe this will be your solution? Food for thought.

 

[ve79]

I cruise on daily injecting of Test C at 350mg a week. That's not what I'm looking to debate. I added in Deca at 175mg a week 2 weeks ago. Daily injections of it. My right knee pain is completely gone. I'm a local truck driver and climbing in and out of the semi truck was painful. That's completely gone.

I'm suffering from mental side affects though. Pro and con side affects.

Pros
Libido is high. Spiked literally the next day after injectioning Deca.
Sex feels much more intense and passionate.
Require less sleep and still feel sharp
Attraction to my wife is more intense
Right knee pain, completely gone

Cons
Jealousy/insecurity... For example if a family member makes my wife laugh a lot at a get together, I'll look inward that I'm not funny enough.
Overanalyze my wife's mood and take it personal.

My question is would cutting the dose down to 87.5 mg a week give my less mental sides and still the joint relief? Is it possible my brain (shit mental genetics) cannot handle Deca and I just simply can't have my cake and eat it too?

Thank you for any insight. Merry Christmas!

Daily injections of Deca are not needed. It's a very long ester. Deca is very anabolic . If you are using it just for joint relief cut it down to 75 to 100mg. I love Deca but once my body gets the saturation from Deca I sometimes have to pull back on the dose from 250 a week to 200 because I can get pretty edgy were I get easily irritated by people

 

[BALLISTIC]

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

For me, Tren was three strikes and you’re out.

The first run was incredible. I felt god like physically. Confidence was through the roof, ego was big but not obnoxious, and I didn’t really have any mental or physical sides.

The second run was different. Not terrible, but the mental appeared unnoticed initially. I was going through my wife’s phone every time she left the house for work, errands, seeing friends. What makes that wild is that not long after, I ended up becoming exactly that kind of dirtbag.

The third run… that’s where everything went to shit. Rage, hatred, emotional control. My morals disappeared. My sexual boundaries (didn't have any) I could see a greasy dumpster and she was game. It was like my entire value system got unplugged.

What’s interesting is I did run it a fourth time, but I kept it under 150 mg a week, and it was actually great. No mental chaos, no paranoia, no rage. I honestly believe dose and duration are important. When you reach your max, pop smoke and get out.

Runs one through three were all 350–500 mg for about 12 weeks. The fourth was 150 mg or less for the same time. Every time I used it, my lab work took a hit, and I’m usually pretty stable on most compounds.

All of these runs were from the same vendor’s triple-tren blend, purchased at the exact same time, so that variable is removed. If someone is set on trying Tren, I’d only ever recommend a short ester. When it goes bad, you want out fast. Keep the dose low, it can do everything at 150 that it can at 500 without wrecking you. Some if these doses are killing people and they watch it happen.

Before I ever touched it, I read all the horror stories and thought they were exaggerated. Then I became one of those stories. Haha

Nothing hits like Tren.
But nothing can wreck you like Tren either.
It’s the ultimate double edged sword.

Best wishes.

 

[Rogal69]

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

Dude in my opinion that is way overblown. Of a guy is unstable already then Tren makes them more unstable, or gives them an “out” to act that way. But if you are normal and levelheaded then you will be fine. I feel like a lot of the psychological effects are way overblown honestly.

 

[muscle1988]

Im experiencing this exact thing but with EQ. Exactly what you are describing. Personally I think even high test or any drug makes these thoughts worse, even without them I am a bit ocd, obsessive especially about my wife. I think its a thing called "retro active jelousy". For me, the higher amounts I run the harder it is to "shake" the thoughts. I feel for ya man. If you know its for sure the Deca I would drop it and deal with the knee pain. EQ absolutely destroyed my mental state.