Deca. Ends justify the means?

[Dr.V.P.C.]

Every summer for the last 5y i change my basic TRT to deca only (300mg) . Better than test in all aspects. Great mental and emotional feelings.

 

[TheBeast1]

I get this every time I nut. Its like i lose attraction to her immediately and want to get as far away as possible. Started when I was a teen. I will literally nut and be gone within 5 minutes. idk why im like this.

Definitely know that feel mate. PNC does that.

 

[anw]

So I agree, Deca for me is incredible, I feel good, happy go lucky. Tren no way. I lose my self respect. I see a dumpster chic and she's doable 3xs to ensure I was conscious (best out of 3) haha. I make terrible life decisions. So Nor19 isn't for everybody.

Have you tried NPP, instead? I understand they're the same compound and different ester. But NPP, affects me differently. Maybe this will be your solution? Food for thought

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

So I agree, Deca for me is incredible, I feel good, happy go lucky. Tren no way. I lose my self respect. I see a dumpster chic and she's doable 3xs to ensure I was conscious (best out of 3) haha. I make terrible life decisions. So Nor19 isn't for everybody.

Have you tried NPP, instead? I understand they're the same compound and different ester. But NPP, affects me differently. Maybe this will be your solution? Food for thought.

 

[ve79]

I cruise on daily injecting of Test C at 350mg a week. That's not what I'm looking to debate. I added in Deca at 175mg a week 2 weeks ago. Daily injections of it. My right knee pain is completely gone. I'm a local truck driver and climbing in and out of the semi truck was painful. That's completely gone.

I'm suffering from mental side affects though. Pro and con side affects.

Pros
Libido is high. Spiked literally the next day after injectioning Deca.
Sex feels much more intense and passionate.
Require less sleep and still feel sharp
Attraction to my wife is more intense
Right knee pain, completely gone

Cons
Jealousy/insecurity... For example if a family member makes my wife laugh a lot at a get together, I'll look inward that I'm not funny enough.
Overanalyze my wife's mood and take it personal.

My question is would cutting the dose down to 87.5 mg a week give my less mental sides and still the joint relief? Is it possible my brain (shit mental genetics) cannot handle Deca and I just simply can't have my cake and eat it too?

Thank you for any insight. Merry Christmas!

Daily injections of Deca are not needed. It's a very long ester. Deca is very anabolic . If you are using it just for joint relief cut it down to 75 to 100mg. I love Deca but once my body gets the saturation from Deca I sometimes have to pull back on the dose from 250 a week to 200 because I can get pretty edgy were I get easily irritated by people

 

[BALLISTIC]

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

For me, Tren was three strikes and you’re out.

The first run was incredible. I felt god like physically. Confidence was through the roof, ego was big but not obnoxious, and I didn’t really have any mental or physical sides.

The second run was different. Not terrible, but the mental appeared unnoticed initially. I was going through my wife’s phone every time she left the house for work, errands, seeing friends. What makes that wild is that not long after, I ended up becoming exactly that kind of dirtbag.

The third run… that’s where everything went to shit. Rage, hatred, emotional control. My morals disappeared. My sexual boundaries (didn't have any) I could see a greasy dumpster and she was game. It was like my entire value system got unplugged.

What’s interesting is I did run it a fourth time, but I kept it under 150 mg a week, and it was actually great. No mental chaos, no paranoia, no rage. I honestly believe dose and duration are important. When you reach your max, pop smoke and get out.

Runs one through three were all 350–500 mg for about 12 weeks. The fourth was 150 mg or less for the same time. Every time I used it, my lab work took a hit, and I’m usually pretty stable on most compounds.

All of these runs were from the same vendor’s triple-tren blend, purchased at the exact same time, so that variable is removed. If someone is set on trying Tren, I’d only ever recommend a short ester. When it goes bad, you want out fast. Keep the dose low, it can do everything at 150 that it can at 500 without wrecking you. Some if these doses are killing people and they watch it happen.

Before I ever touched it, I read all the horror stories and thought they were exaggerated. Then I became one of those stories. Haha

Nothing hits like Tren.
But nothing can wreck you like Tren either.
It’s the ultimate double edged sword.

Best wishes.

 

[Rogal69]

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

Dude in my opinion that is way overblown. Of a guy is unstable already then Tren makes them more unstable, or gives them an “out” to act that way. But if you are normal and levelheaded then you will be fine. I feel like a lot of the psychological effects are way overblown honestly.

 

[muscle1988]

Im experiencing this exact thing but with EQ. Exactly what you are describing. Personally I think even high test or any drug makes these thoughts worse, even without them I am a bit ocd, obsessive especially about my wife. I think its a thing called "retro active jelousy". For me, the higher amounts I run the harder it is to "shake" the thoughts. I feel for ya man. If you know its for sure the Deca I would drop it and deal with the knee pain. EQ absolutely destroyed my mental state.

 

[Ricky93]

Just my 2 cents to OP.
NPP also increased jealousy for me. I would get jealous even of other guy's possessions, mostly material.
In a way that was great because I had motivation to work harder, do a side project, etc but it didnt last long. Depression and anhedonia set in and had to come off. 2 days later I was like 'FUCK! That shit was really taking me to a dark place'.

 

[Juicedhead]

idk if you guys follow pro bodybuilding but martin fitzwater seems like he struggles with the mental side from deca/tren. dude freaks out if someone doesnt have him winning a show in their prediction. its like deca/tren makes you in secure.

 

[Juicedhead]

I’ve been lurking and researching this forum for a while now, trying to weigh the risk/reward of running Tren for the first time. I’m in my early 30s, have consistently been in the gym for over 10 years and have been wanting to add this to my stack for superior results. For context I have used deca but I think I can achieve more with what tren can do physically. I keep seeing comments about the mental health toll and the shift in decision-making.
My biggest fear isn't the physical side effects, but the idea of losing that 'moral compass' or the ability to consistently do the 'right thing'. For those of you who have tried it, is the mental shift as 'uncontrollable' as people make it sound, or is it manageable if you’re already self-aware and stable? I don't want to jeopardize myself for a cycle if the 'mental hijack' is as real as they say.

It is overblown i would say. Dont listen to mr. mike saying he was raging all the time that is bullshit. I take tren and I do feel different but its not something drastic, it makes me feel less in general. less of any emotion, so like im almost more level in a way. My emotions are just less in every emotion if that makes sense. I sometimes but very very rarely will get a little bit angry and certain things but Its like once a year. I do notice that tren can make me start to complain about things like just things I see in the world I start to bitch a lot. You really have to try it and see just start low with ace and see what happens.

 

[NecroPhil]

It is overblown i would say. Dont listen to mr. mike saying he was raging all the time that is bullshit. I take tren and I do feel different but its not something drastic, it makes me feel less in general. less of any emotion, so like im almost more level in a way. My emotions are just less in every emotion if that makes sense. I sometimes but very very rarely will get a little bit angry and certain things but Its like once a year. I do notice that tren can make me start to complain about things like just things I see in the world I start to bitch a lot. You really have to try it and see just start low with ace and see what happen

How much do you take? How long? what ester? Just curious.

 

[Juicedhead]

How much do you take? How long? what ester? Just curious.

ive ran it high and low last cycle was 2-300mg weekly. Tren ace was the last ccyle.

 

[Malevolent666]

Lowered the Deca from 175mg per week to 87.5mg for 2 weeks. Still couldn't shake the mental sides. Definitely maintained the high libido, strength increase, requiring less sleep and joint relief. I would definitely lose my marriage though if I continued on. Literally tossed out the window into the woods.

Knowing my addictive personality, if I threw in the garbage, a day later I'd be rummaging through the garbage to get it.

When my source gets NPP in I'm going to give it a shot. I hope with NPP I can get the benefits and not the mental sides. Deca just increased insecure thoughts, over analyzing my wife's body language and words, some paranoia, retroactive jealousy, and quicker to argue. Basically made me into a muscular bitch.

Started developing arm and chest acne too. Perhaps though because of cruising on 375mg of Test and adding 87mg of Deca on top is too many androgenic effects?

What's interesting is when i started injecting Test solo daily, at 375mg weekly, my acne disappeared. When ever another compound was thrown in on top, whether it be Masteron or Deca, the acne would start. Maybe if I try NPP I'll need to lower the Test to keep the androgenicity down to avoid the acne.

 

[NecroPhil]

Lowered the Deca from 175mg per week to 87.5mg for 2 weeks. Still couldn't shake the mental sides. Definitely maintained the high libido, strength increase, requiring less sleep and joint relief. I would definitely lose my marriage though if I continued on. Literally tossed out the window into the woods.

Knowing my addictive personality, if I threw in the garbage, a day later I'd be rummaging through the garbage to get it.

When my source gets NPP in I'm going to give it a shot. I hope with NPP I can get the benefits and not the mental sides. Deca just increased insecure thoughts, over analyzing my wife's body language and words, some paranoia, retroactive jealousy, and quicker to argue. Basically made me into a muscular bitch.

Started developing arm and chest acne too. Perhaps though because of cruising on 375mg of Test and adding 87mg of Deca on top is too many androgenic effects?

What's interesting is when i started injecting Test solo daily, at 375mg weekly, my acne disappeared. When ever another compound was thrown in on top, whether it be Masteron or Deca, the acne would start. Maybe if I try NPP I'll need to lower the Test to keep the androgenicity down to avoid the acne.

19 nor might not be for you brother. Try EQ? What about mast or Primo?
But your screen name and Pic don't match lol. Malevolent but the art from Dismember.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Lowered the Deca from 175mg per week to 87.5mg for 2 weeks. Still couldn't shake the mental sides. Definitely maintained the high libido, strength increase, requiring less sleep and joint relief. I would definitely lose my marriage though if I continued on. Literally tossed out the window into the woods.

Knowing my addictive personality, if I threw in the garbage, a day later I'd be rummaging through the garbage to get it.

When my source gets NPP in I'm going to give it a shot. I hope with NPP I can get the benefits and not the mental sides. Deca just increased insecure thoughts, over analyzing my wife's body language and words, some paranoia, retroactive jealousy, and quicker to argue. Basically made me into a muscular bitch.

Started developing arm and chest acne too. Perhaps though because of cruising on 375mg of Test and adding 87mg of Deca on top is too many androgenic effects?

What's interesting is when i started injecting Test solo daily, at 375mg weekly, my acne disappeared. When ever another compound was thrown in on top, whether it be Masteron or Deca, the acne would start. Maybe if I try NPP I'll need to lower the Test to keep the androgenicity down to avoid the acne.

yeah man, deca is way worse than tren for me. started to feel like i was in the truman show

totally not worth it man. its like female pregnancy hormones with the progesterone and everything. totally the opposite of masculinity and will turn off every girl around you by sensing your insecurity like a stench.

i think this happened to a lot of BB in the early days when deca was more popular, like being weak mentally and losing their girl or not being able to keep a woman because theyve got big muscles but not the personality to match, on the surface people could attribute this to estrogen but i think deca is a better explaination, deca was a standard for a bulk until relatively recently.

smash all those vials dude , not worth losing your masculine frame around those around you for like 3lbs of muscle, once people see you a certain way they may not be able to unsee it

 

[Veinyone]

I did a 900mg deca only cycle recently and it made me feel numb to everything. I gained a lot of mass but it literally took everything in me to go to the gym. I was completely unmotivated and lethargic. I couldn’t get enough estrogen conversion and ended up stopping the cycle.

If you run a dht derivative with it like primo or mast it will help mitigate your issues. You also want to run test at atleast a 2:1 ratio. Probably higher if you have mental sides. I’m currently doing 800mg test, 600mg primo, and 300 deca. No motivation issues or numb feelings at all. Just straight power. Some people just can’t handle nandrolone though. NPP will likely give you the same mental sides as deca. You’re just playing with different esters there….

 

[NecroPhil]

I did a 900mg deca only cycle recently and it made me feel numb to everything. I gained a lot of mass but it literally took everything in me to go to the gym. I was completely unmotivated and lethargic. I couldn’t get enough estrogen conversion and ended up stopping the cycle.

If you run a dht derivative with it like primo or mast it will help mitigate your issues. You also want to run test at atleast a 2:1 ratio. Probably higher if you have mental sides. I’m currently doing 800mg test, 600mg primo, and 300 deca. No motivation issues or numb feelings at all. Just straight power. Some people just can’t handle nandrolone though. NPP will likely give you the same mental sides as deca. You’re just playing with different esters there….

Wow that's an old school cycle. Yeah it's gonna shut you down you need test for estrogen / dht. That's also why alot of the old guys ran dbol won't deca cause of the estrogen conversion but you need test In every cycle for sure.
But Dave crosland also says alot that some people that don't do well on 300mg of deca do great on something like 800mg. I think it was something to do with dihydronandrolone but I forget exactly what the idea is. If your not following drugs and stuff on YouTube with Scott McNally and Dave crosland... Check it out! Huge source of info

 

[Malevolent666]

19 nor might not be for you brother. Try EQ? What about mast or Primo?
But your screen name and Pic don't match lol. Malevolent but the art from Dismember.

I'm glad someone recognized those great bands. I love both bands and wanted to incorporate both bands into my profile.

 

[Malevolent666]

I did a 900mg deca only cycle recently and it made me feel numb to everything. I gained a lot of mass but it literally took everything in me to go to the gym. I was completely unmotivated and lethargic. I couldn’t get enough estrogen conversion and ended up stopping the cycle.

If you run a dht derivative with it like primo or mast it will help mitigate your issues. You also want to run test at atleast a 2:1 ratio. Probably higher if you have mental sides. I’m currently doing 800mg test, 600mg primo, and 300 deca. No motivation issues or numb feelings at all. Just straight power. Some people just can’t handle nandrolone though. NPP will likely give you the same mental sides as deca. You’re just playing with different esters there….

I've run Masteron with Test and Deca. It was definitely real Mast at the time too. Still had mental sides. Ran in this ratio: Test, Deca, and Mast 2:1:1.