deca versus equipoise

[Test_Subject]

Low Deca, high mast, high test for me. No issues ever. Deca is potent, I think a lot of people just run way too much.

Absolutely. I’ve never gone over 300mg and it worked just dandy at 240lbs.

Most of the guys that I see going way beyond that are either new and inexperienced or simply reckless. Every time I see some dude who’s like a buck eighty talk about running 600+mg I just shake my head.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Good to hear that. Currently on a test + dec, started the dec four weeks after t, and I also get wayy lower sex drive when the dec is added. When I added 400mg mast, it helped a ton. But next cycle, probably this fall, I’m going to try test and add eq. If you prefer any ratio, would love to hear. i am thinking 400t and 400eq to start.

I tried tinkering a bit first with EQ at about equal or slightly higher than test (no bueno) then EQ at half my test dose and it mellowed considerably.

 

[Connor 25257]

Meant to reply this to @Connor 25257

For me, and others-
Anywhere from 400-600 test along with 400-600 EQ. You can go upwards of 800 on EQ but there’s really no point as you’ll start experiencing more sides with little difference in gains. My sweet spot is 600 of each. If you’ve never done EQ, I think 400 is a good starting point.
I forgot to mention that EQ also gave me some insomnia the first time I ever ran it, so keep that in mind as well

 

[EazyE]

For me, and others-
Anywhere from 400-600 test along with 400-600 EQ. You can go upwards of 800 on EQ but there’s really no point as you’ll start experiencing more sides with little difference in gains. My sweet spot is 600 of each. If you’ve never done EQ, I think 400 is a good starting point.
I forgot to mention that EQ also gave me some insomnia the first time I ever ran it, so keep that in mind as well

Agreed that 400 is a good starting point. EQ is a long term cycle so patience is key.

 

[Test_Subject]

Agreed that 400 is a good starting point. EQ is a long term cycle so patience is key.

Test, EQ and anadrol is a winning cycle.

Test and EQ for 16 weeks, anadrol for the last 8, profit.

 

[EazyE]

Test, EQ and anadrol is a winning cycle.

Test and EQ for 16 weeks, anadrol for the last 8, profit.

Been a while since I ran that combo. Got me thinking….

 

[wsmwannabe]

Why does it seem everyone prefers EQ over bold ace or cyp? This is probably a stupid question, but I have to ask, are the benefits the same from the shorter esters as it is from bold U?

I thought about trying bold cyp, but it’s almost never talked about

 

[Test_Subject]

Why does it seem everyone prefers EQ over bold ace or cyp? This is probably a stupid question, but I have to ask, are the benefits the same from the shorter esters as it is from bold U?

I thought about trying bold cyp, but it’s almost never talked about

I prefer bold cyp. It’s just hard to find so EQ is the next best thing. Plus I’m on TRT now so the longer ester isn’t necessary a negative.

bold ace I’ve never tried, but I hear that the PIP is fucking brutal.

 

[Elistheman]

Why does it seem everyone prefers EQ over bold ace or cyp? This is probably a stupid question, but I have to ask, are the benefits the same from the shorter esters as it is from bold U?

I thought about trying bold cyp, but it’s almost never talked about

I always do bold ace or prop, above 350mg its pain to inject.
One of my favourite cycles of all times was three months of:
350mg bold prop
350mg test prop
350mg mast prop
It was a recoup without even trying, the only downside was the PIP from the bold, unless I dilute it three fold by combining all in the same syringe, the pip is the harshest I have ever had and I injected DHB @ 200mg/ml, its a walk in the park in comparison. Non of the less, completely worth it for me.

As for nandrolone vs bold, the way I see it, nandrolone is more anabolic (at the same dosage from experience) while bold I can put in a category as a hybrid between test and mast, builds muscle and not converts to estrogen easily (even inhibits it anecdotally). Both have their use.

 

[WriteWinger]

Test, EQ and anadrol is a winning cycle.

Test and EQ for 16 weeks, anadrol for the last 8, profit.

Yep. Quality cycle.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Test, EQ and anadrol is a winning cycle.

Test and EQ for 16 weeks, anadrol for the last 8, profit.

I'm thinking about trying that exact cycle next...with a low dose of Tren.

 

[Mister Piccolo]

Hey folks,

does anyone have some educated thoughts on Deca vs. Equipoise as a substance to compliment testosterone during a cycle? Goal is to build mass.
I'd like to keep T no higher than around 600mg/week (where I have it now). I've added 200mg per week of Deca because I'd like to get to about 800-1000mg per week cycle. Also thinking of adding Masteron at 200-300mg per week for weeks 8-16.
Although Deca (not NPP) nice on the joints and gives me an immediate strength increase and fullness, it always seems to decrease my mood, energy, and makes sex drive way worse. That's even taking about 1.5mg of caber per week.
I've never run Equipoise before.
So, who's run both along with Test and has opinions? Anyone like the idea of a 600mg test, + 300mg equipoise, + 300mg masteron cycle? Other opinions on a better mass-building cycle?
I'm 5'10" 195 and about 10-12% BF, been lifting for 17 years and have done many test, primo, and deca cycles. But never tried equipoise or masteron.

So as much as I love EQ, I'd 100% hand it to Deca in terms of lean tissue accrual. The reasons to consider EQ are its higher safety profile, lesser sides, and the ability to use it as a pseudo-AI. Just know that you're gonna need significantly more EQ mg/mg, and it will be less potent. Personally, I'd forgo test altogether and run a Deca/EQ split, then finish off with Dbol at the end. Deca/EQ/Dbol is a beautiful and classic cycle, and most guys can run Deca without test (in fact, some prefer it). Of course, its up to individual response on that one. Now if Deca is causing you significant sides, its likely due to something progestogenic, so I'd be checking my bloods to see what may be causing the sides you mentioned. Really, I'd think over if Deca is worth it for me with those sides, or if there is something I can do to eliminate them. Also in terms of Test/EQ, you gotta dial in the raito that's right for you. I've never had issues with higher EQ, but some do tend to have low E2 sides from it (due to EQ preforming competitive aromatase and tying up the aromatase enzyme, which lessens the conversion rate). Hope that helps!

 

[CooSee]

So as much as I love EQ, I'd 100% hand it to Deca in terms of lean tissue accrual. The reasons to consider EQ are its higher safety profile, lesser sides, and the ability to use it as a pseudo-AI. Just know that you're gonna need significantly more EQ mg/mg, and it will be less potent. Personally, I'd forgo test altogether and run a Deca/EQ split, then finish off with Dbol at the end. Deca/EQ/Dbol is a beautiful and classic cycle, and most guys can run Deca without test (in fact, some prefer it). Of course, its up to individual response on that one. Now if Deca is causing you significant sides, its likely due to something progestogenic, so I'd be checking my bloods to see what may be causing the sides you mentioned. Really, I'd think over if Deca is worth it for me with those sides, or if there is something I can do to eliminate them. Also in terms of Test/EQ, you gotta dial in the raito that's right for you. I've never had issues with higher EQ, but some do tend to have low E2 sides from it (due to EQ preforming competitive aromatase and tying up the aromatase enzyme, which lessens the conversion rate). Hope that helps!

Thanks for those ideas. Now that I’ve done a lot more research since this post I have a plan to do bloods with my 180mg a week trt (which I think averages my E2 slightly above top of the range). Then I will simply add 1ML 300mg of eq and after 3 weeks check E2. If it’s on the low side, will move T up and then test again. So will only adjust one compound at a time and try to find a nice E2 range. I definitely am looking forward to experiencing the E2 reduction with EQ. In the past I have enjoyed the feels from Primo, but never tested bloods so not sure precisely how it was affecting me.

 

[Jankauskas]

It’s apples and oranges

 

[Mister Piccolo]

Thanks for those ideas. Now that I’ve done a lot more research since this post I have a plan to do bloods with my 180mg a week trt (which I think averages my E2 slightly above top of the range). Then I will simply add 1ML 300mg of eq and after 3 weeks check E2. If it’s on the low side, will move T up and then test again. So will only adjust one compound at a time and try to find a nice E2 range. I definitely am looking forward to experiencing the E2 reduction with EQ. In the past I have enjoyed the feels from Primo, but never tested bloods so not sure precisely how it was affecting me.

Good to hear, brother! If it helps, usually test:EQ ratio is gonna have the EQ either 1:1, or 200 up or down at the upper/ lower ranges. For me personally, 1:1 test/EQ works very well at "lower" doses like 500:600, but I was also much fatter when I did that. When lean you inherently aromatize less, so that'll affect your ratio.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

2:1 Test to anabolic works 100% of the time on most compounds either its eq or nandro or tren if you follow this rule you're not gonna have libido problems etc , use AI wisely

 

[malfeasance]

2:1 Test to anabolic works 100% of the time on most compounds either its eq or nandro or tren if you follow this rule you're not gonna have libido problems etc , use AI wisely

Does anybody get libido problems from running EQ higher than test? I run 2:1 test to Deca, but run EQ higher than test.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Mast is life.

There isn’t a cycle out there that can’t be made better by adding a bit of masteron, IMO.

To answer your question, OP, deca is the superior mass builder, but EQ isn’t as bad for side effects. If you tolerate nandrolone well, deca is the clear winner. If not, EQ is a decently close approximation.

Mast is life! Completely agree. Love the shit. Makes me fuck like an animal, too.

 

[malfeasance]

Thanks for those ideas. Now that I’ve done a lot more research since this post I have a plan to do bloods with my 180mg a week trt (which I think averages my E2 slightly above top of the range). Then I will simply add 1ML 300mg of eq and after 3 weeks check E2. If it’s on the low side, will move T up and then test again. So will only adjust one compound at a time and try to find a nice E2 range. I definitely am looking forward to experiencing the E2 reduction with EQ. In the past I have enjoyed the feels from Primo, but never tested bloods so not sure precisely how it was affecting me.

Last time I ran EQ, it was 600 test, 900 EQ, and mast (forget how much). No AI needed for entire cycle.

It did increase my hematocrit a lot, though, requiring blood draining (multiple) to get back within range.

 

[Mister Piccolo]

Last time I ran EQ, it was 600 test, 900 EQ, and mast (forget how much). No AI needed for entire cycle.

It did increase my hematocrit a lot, though, requiring blood draining (multiple) to get back within range.

Yeah EQ is insane for RBC, makes it great for track athletes and runners, but also spikes EPO. I get a phlebotomy whenever necessary, usually after 8-12 weeks on.