Desperate for your advice. Testosterone causing moon face at any dose.

[CaptainAll]

it has to be from e2. Maybe try a diuretic but I cant say much more about them because i dont know anything about diuretics. Def get your e2 and ai dosage more dialed in. Its odd if youre lean to have that bad of moon face. Could be sodium is too high as well.

It should most likely be the E2. As much as some “gurus” say that it is only due to RAAS, I rather believe and listen to @Type-IIx and you, for that being caused by E2

 

[ChevChelios]

As @Type-IIx said many times, Test is absolutely the best compound one can take to gain substantial muscle mass and feel well.

The issue I have is simple. I cannot take any dose of testosterone without having a horrible moon face and water retention which starts messing with my head and makes me stop bulking and taking testosterone altogether. I cannot see myself fat faced and by no means am I fat or have high body fat percentage. I am very lean naturally with a skinny looking face. Any time I take test, I look like puffed fish.

That is despite taking AI, telmisartan etc. so it is not estrogen related.

What options do I have? What can you recommend I can do to continue training and getting bigger while not bloating/puffing up like this? Please, help me.

Bro quit overthinking shit you can easily deal with that by drinking more water n doing some cardio, lose some body fat n you will have less of a moon face but it’s not something you should be desperate about (n this is coming from a guy who gets big cheeks really easily even without roids it happens whenever I bulk n I just deal with it) it’s not as bad as you think n even if it is it’s not an actual health issue so don’t try to add in dumb shit like diuretics etc… just for cosmetic reasons that would go away pretty quickly, imo you should double down on the bull say fk it then when you do a cut you will be happy n the more muscle you gain the easier it is to lose fat so it’s a win win you just have to deal with some water retention which is far from an actual problem (sorry if I come off as callous but cmon now it’s not a thing you should be ‘desperate’ about bro like for real think bout it long n hard n think what actually scares you about this lil bloat n what is the worst that could happen, imo you’re worrying bout the wrong shit mane)

 

[Type-IIx]

Agreed on the facial changes Tren brings, it makes me cringe even typing this but I do look more ‘masculine’ in the photos taken of me where I was using it, even at low dosages, yet at the same time I didn’t appear unhealthy and haggard as I did at another point in time running moderate-high Test with my estrogen in the ground from Anastrozole.

It makes me wonder what at the receptor level is happening there and why I could notice the subtleties, although I have my guesses (interactions with the AR, ER & PR). I remember everyone from my coworkers to my own mother asking me towards the latter end of the test experiment why I had appeared to age ten years in the space of a few months.

I have noticed overtime though that each androgen has a dosage threshold after which facial changes become quite noticeable and reducing estrogen & use of an ARB does very little to counteract the effect. Perhaps it is the MR receptor agonism, only further potentiated by increasing 11HSD2 inhibition with escalating dosages?

In my own case Testosterone and the oral 17a DHT-derivatives have been the worst culprits for me in the past, with Anavar, funnily enough, being the worst in this regard.

It's androgenicity, it masculinizes everything.

 

[Nostrame]

It is what it is unfortunately, I hate my face at 400-600mg weekly. I like it at 150 and maybe max 200mg. I think it's normal. Your face does change with Testosterone dosage.

You remind me of myself, some years ago I was constantly afraid of bulking and any time I put on any water due to increased calories I would abort my bulking and return to cutting.

Anabolic steroids do change your face, some may not notice it, I myself didn't mind and not noticed, but my female partners did.

Honestly, I believe if you want a chiseled face (as gay as it sounds on a steroid forum) then your best bet is to keep Testosterone at 150-250mg and add dht, equipoise or tren and avoid deca and high test.

I look my best body and face wise on true TRT dosage or at 250mg maximum.

P.S. I have to say, I don't recommend you anything and certainly not a trenbolone cycle to improve your face. Just my observation and what I and others around me noticed. Do it at your own risk.

Have you tried using an AI at higher doses to keep your face thinner?

 

[lukiss96]

Have you tried using an AI at higher doses to keep your face thinner?

I don't stress about it man. I also don't randomly dose more anastrozole than I need to. More Testosterone causes more water retention, so it's normal and needs to be accepted by everyone. Keeping body fat under control and watching sodium intake is the key. All that unnecessary bloat goes away on a cruise.

 

[Spideog]

As @Type-IIx said many times, Test is absolutely the best compound one can take to gain substantial muscle mass and feel well.

The issue I have is simple. I cannot take any dose of testosterone without having a horrible moon face and water retention which starts messing with my head and makes me stop bulking and taking testosterone altogether. I cannot see myself fat faced and by no means am I fat or have high body fat percentage. I am very lean naturally with a skinny looking face. Any time I take test, I look like puffed fish.

That is despite taking AI, telmisartan etc. so it is not estrogen related.

What options do I have? What can you recommend I can do to continue training and getting bigger while not bloating/puffing up like this? Please, help me.

Use Masteron but for me causes shedding. There’s always a catch but Masteron is just an enjoyable steroid to run. No side effects apart from hair.

 

[marsupial]

Low dose primo may work. It’s a DHT derivative and a direct aromatase inhibitor, so it will lower E2, which may counteract the swelling due to E2 and RAAS increase.

That said, RAAS increase is of course still there, so there may be a limit to how much you can limit it if you are highly prone, but would definitely try lowering e2 and see what happens.

In light of RAAS increase, keep in mind you’ll be way more sensitive to bloating secondary to sugar and salt, so would also advise eating as clean as possible

 

[Nostrame]

I don't stress about it man. I also don't randomly dose more anastrozole than I need to. More Testosterone causes more water retention, so it's normal and needs to be accepted by everyone. Keeping body fat under control and watching sodium intake is the key. All that unnecessary bloat goes away on a cruise.

Is the water retention really that noticeable though even with diet dialed in. I see a lot of famous celebrities who have suspiciously gotten bigger and leaner in a short amount of time with no affect to their facial appearance (Dwayne Johnson, Alan Ritchison, Logan Paul etc..)

 

[Nostrame]

It is what it is unfortunately, I hate my face at 400-600mg weekly. I like it at 150 and maybe max 200mg. I think it's normal. Your face does change with Testosterone dosage.

You remind me of myself, some years ago I was constantly afraid of bulking and any time I put on any water due to increased calories I would abort my bulking and return to cutting.

Anabolic steroids do change your face, some may not notice it, I myself didn't mind and not noticed, but my female partners did.

Honestly, I believe if you want a chiseled face (as gay as it sounds on a steroid forum) then your best bet is to keep Testosterone at 150-250mg and add dht, equipoise or tren and avoid deca and high test.

I look my best body and face wise on true TRT dosage or at 250mg maximum.

P.S. I have to say, I don't recommend you anything and certainly not a trenbolone cycle to improve your face. Just my observation and what I and others around me noticed. Do it at your own risk.

Yes but aren’t your muscles a lot flatter at those doses?