Different approach to beginner cycle

pnw208

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Hey guys, I have a method I’ve developed for people I know who are just getting into gear and plan on coming off cycle with pct. I started the same way everyone does and I still hear everyone recommend the same cycle. 12 weeks of 500 test cyp. Preferably running HCG the whole thing or blasting prior to PCT with 4 week of clomid and or nolvadex. I did this my first few cycles and lost everything after pct and it didn’t take many cycles before my natural levels were below 300.
After 10 years of experience and research I’ve come to the conclusion that taking anavar with HCG as a base followed by clomid and adex is a great alternative to the standard begginer cycle for long term gains and an easy PCT.
The cycle is structured as such
Week 1-6
30mg anavar
500 HCG EOD
.5 adex 2x week if needed

Week 5-9
25mg clomid ED
.5 mg 2x week

Week 1-9
1000mg TUDCA
1200mg omega 3
1000mg NAC

The Idea behind this cycle is that anavar at low dose isn’t harsh on the liver or shutting you down. Using HCG as a base minimizes HPTA shut down and would provide a sufficient base level of testosterone and estrogen. As anavar is short acting the cycle begins to work much faster than long water test so by week 6 you will have gained the majority of the muscle you would over a 12 week test only cycle. I find the gains from test take about 4 weeks to show and level off around week 10 unless you taper up. Which is about 6 weeks of actual progress. This is based off 500Mg only. Using this cycle also lets you start PCT right away and clomid/ adex is commonly used as an alternative to TRT where I’ve seen many friends reach 1000. You would run the pct right into another 6 week cycle and repeat this year round. 6 weeks on 4 weeks off. Over the course of a year you should keep more muscle because your recovery is so rapid and you’re never fully shut down. You should maintain HPTA function keeping the cycles so short and giving the body so many options to recover from a cycle that never shut them down. I see no issue with being on “something” year round when drs prescribe clomid/adex year round. This can be used as blast and cruise cycle for this form of TRT.

What are your thoughts on this? I’m looking for opinions and experiences for conversion not an argument. This is purely for conversation so please don’t be rude. I’m not saying this is the best thing ever or that 500 for 12 weeks is a bad thing. Just from my experience this seems to work very well. Obviously one needs to keep an eye on bloodwork and liver function. This could also be used for sarms for 8 week on 4 off for even less shut down in some cases. Has anyone else tried this method or something similar?
 
30mg anavar for a male is going to be extremely underwhelming compared to 500mg test.

Theres no reason this can’t work but you’re already injecting hcg anywyas and the first cycles are the easiest to recover from so I’m struggling to see the up side of this.

Your notion that there’s only 6 weeks of progress in a 12 week test cycle is extremely flawed. The ramp up is a built in zero plateau zone and progrsss can extend far beyond saturation. If you can’t make progress for 12 straight weeks on test then the other variables need fixed before you attempt another cycle.
 
ur not gonna find much engagement with these ideas i think everyones nuts here are already gone. I think doing a regular cycle and blasting hcg at the end of it before pct is better. I heard some also take 5-10mg dbol during pct to maintain gains dunno if thats less suppressive than anavar
 
ur not gonna find much engagement with these ideas i think everyones nuts here are already gone. I think doing a regular cycle and blasting hcg at the end of it before pct is better. I heard some also take 5-10mg dbol during pct to maintain gains dunno if thats less suppressive than anavar
Yep, we’re all no nut Forever, not just November lmao
 
. I did this my first few cycles and lost everything
This is the problem and it probably lies in diet. Not enough food after cycle to keep what you've gained. You can run anything you want. If you can't keep your gains you need to rethink what you're doing.
 
dude i like this approach. use hcg in place of test. but id use at least 60mg of anavar. you want to feel it and depending on your genetics and how you respond to gear you might not feel shit on that even. just my opinion. guys freak out when dudes want to do an oral only first cycle i dont see anything wrong with doing that. my first cycle was the old 500mg test e galenkia amps and i kind of wish i wouldve just done an oral.
 
Hey guys, I have a method I’ve developed for people I know who are just getting into gear and plan on coming off cycle with pct. I started the same way everyone does and I still hear everyone recommend the same cycle. 12 weeks of 500 test cyp. Preferably running HCG the whole thing or blasting prior to PCT with 4 week of clomid and or nolvadex. I did this my first few cycles and lost everything after pct and it didn’t take many cycles before my natural levels were below 300.
After 10 years of experience and research I’ve come to the conclusion that taking anavar with HCG as a base followed by clomid and adex is a great alternative to the standard begginer cycle for long term gains and an easy PCT.
The cycle is structured as such
Week 1-6
30mg anavar
500 HCG EOD
.5 adex 2x week if needed

Week 5-9
25mg clomid ED
.5 mg 2x week

Week 1-9
1000mg TUDCA
1200mg omega 3
1000mg NAC

The Idea behind this cycle is that anavar at low dose isn’t harsh on the liver or shutting you down. Using HCG as a base minimizes HPTA shut down and would provide a sufficient base level of testosterone and estrogen. As anavar is short acting the cycle begins to work much faster than long water test so by week 6 you will have gained the majority of the muscle you would over a 12 week test only cycle. I find the gains from test take about 4 weeks to show and level off around week 10 unless you taper up. Which is about 6 weeks of actual progress. This is based off 500Mg only. Using this cycle also lets you start PCT right away and clomid/ adex is commonly used as an alternative to TRT where I’ve seen many friends reach 1000. You would run the pct right into another 6 week cycle and repeat this year round. 6 weeks on 4 weeks off. Over the course of a year you should keep more muscle because your recovery is so rapid and you’re never fully shut down. You should maintain HPTA function keeping the cycles so short and giving the body so many options to recover from a cycle that never shut them down. I see no issue with being on “something” year round when drs prescribe clomid/adex year round. This can be used as blast and cruise cycle for this form of TRT.

What are your thoughts on this? I’m looking for opinions and experiences for conversion not an argument. This is purely for conversation so please don’t be rude. I’m not saying this is the best thing ever or that 500 for 12 weeks is a bad thing. Just from my experience this seems to work very well. Obviously one needs to keep an eye on bloodwork and liver function. This could also be used for sarms for 8 week on 4 off for even less shut down in some cases. Has anyone else tried this method or something similar?
I agree with the poor training and diet.


Maybe this stuff just isn't for you?
 
I'm confused about the part you saying "by my experience this works really well" but this is also your proposed 1st cycle ? So is it or not your first cycle
 
I can't imagine losing all your gains on 12 weeks of 500mg Test...but some how miraculously keeping all of your gains on 6 weeks of 30mg Anavar?? This doesn't make sense to me whatsoever.
 
I'm confused about the part you saying "by my experience this works really well" but this is also your proposed 1st cycle ? So is it or not your first cycle
He's saying this, in his experience via experimentation, that he believes this would be a better first cycle for beginners rather than the typical 500mg Test for 12 weeks, not that this is his first cycle.
 
He's saying this, in his experience via experimentation, that he believes this would be a better first cycle for beginners rather than the typical 500mg Test for 12 weeks, not that this is his first cycle.
He wasn't prepared to cycle and cycled.

"I did this my first few cycles and lost everything".. I'm mobile rn and lazy but that's a direct quote

The person is doing something wrong if you don't keep what is probably considered the best gains from the first few cycles a person experiences.

We all live and learn but if you don't gain off a few cycles of test at 500.... learn from mistakes. The drugs are not the problem
 
Hey guys, I have a method I’ve developed for people I know who are just getting into gear and plan on coming off cycle with pct. I started the same way everyone does and I still hear everyone recommend the same cycle. 12 weeks of 500 test cyp. Preferably running HCG the whole thing or blasting prior to PCT with 4 week of clomid and or nolvadex. I did this my first few cycles and lost everything after pct and it didn’t take many cycles before my natural levels were below 300.
After 10 years of experience and research I’ve come to the conclusion that taking anavar with HCG as a base followed by clomid and adex is a great alternative to the standard begginer cycle for long term gains and an easy PCT.
The cycle is structured as such
Week 1-6
30mg anavar
500 HCG EOD
.5 adex 2x week if needed

Week 5-9
25mg clomid ED
.5 mg 2x week

Week 1-9
1000mg TUDCA
1200mg omega 3
1000mg NAC

The Idea behind this cycle is that anavar at low dose isn’t harsh on the liver or shutting you down. Using HCG as a base minimizes HPTA shut down and would provide a sufficient base level of testosterone and estrogen. As anavar is short acting the cycle begins to work much faster than long water test so by week 6 you will have gained the majority of the muscle you would over a 12 week test only cycle. I find the gains from test take about 4 weeks to show and level off around week 10 unless you taper up. Which is about 6 weeks of actual progress. This is based off 500Mg only. Using this cycle also lets you start PCT right away and clomid/ adex is commonly used as an alternative to TRT where I’ve seen many friends reach 1000. You would run the pct right into another 6 week cycle and repeat this year round. 6 weeks on 4 weeks off. Over the course of a year you should keep more muscle because your recovery is so rapid and you’re never fully shut down. You should maintain HPTA function keeping the cycles so short and giving the body so many options to recover from a cycle that never shut them down. I see no issue with being on “something” year round when drs prescribe clomid/adex year round. This can be used as blast and cruise cycle for this form of TRT.

What are your thoughts on this? I’m looking for opinions and experiences for conversion not an argument. This is purely for conversation so please don’t be rude. I’m not saying this is the best thing ever or that 500 for 12 weeks is a bad thing. Just from my experience this seems to work very well. Obviously one needs to keep an eye on bloodwork and liver function. This could also be used for sarms for 8 week on 4 off for even less shut down in some cases. Has anyone else tried this method or something similar?
this is one of the most retarted counter productive cycles i have ever seen, waste of time, effort, and most of all MONEY. Why in the literal ass would a grown man do 30mg var for that time period..wast of money...not to menion at that dose of var hcg is likely overkill i could piss on you and it would have more anabolic effect than this...
 
ur not gonna find much engagement with these ideas i think everyones nuts here are already gone. I think doing a regular cycle and blasting hcg at the end of it before pct is better. I heard some also take 5-10mg dbol during pct to maintain gains dunno if thats less suppressive than anavar
You are dumb
 
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