DNP Cycle Diary

[cvguy]

OK...well, after a LOT of reading, I've decided to go on a DNP cycle.

I'm starting out at 175#, and need to drop 15 to be in good "fighting" shape.

I spent the last year working 12+ hour days in a very stressful job, and let myself go to hell. I've dropped about 10# with a better diet, but have reached a bit of a plateau there. It doesn't help that I'm now on the wrong side of 40. For you young wippersnappers....just wait until YOU turn 40 and YOUR metabolism crashes. Anyhow, I'm now only working half time, so if I feel a bit wiped out from the DNP, that's OK.

I'm sure a lot of other people out there are curious about DNP, so I'll try to keep people up to date with daily postings on this thread.

I feel a certain serious respect for DNP, so I'm going to do a mild cycle. I don't plan on doing more than 2 200mg capsules a day. 3 days of 200mg, the rest 200mg morning and 200mg 12 hours later. These are the "Version II" capsules provided by a certain Meso DNP Expert. I'll refer to him as "H" (who provided outstanding service and communication, btw). I recently had all my blood tests run, and everthing was within normal ranges.

The cycle will start this morning. Before I start, I plan to be stocking up on a few things:

* bananas (for potassium)
* various fruits - pears, peaches, melons, etc.
* powders for making good tasting fluids (some gatorade, crystal lite)
* glycerin
* benadryl (just in case)
* high fibre foods
* case of V8 juice 12oz cans

I already take a fist full of vitamins, anti-oxidants, supplements, herbs, etc., so I don't need to buy any of those. I'll be doing some T3 supplementation at a moderate level too.

Although I normally follow a reduced carb diet (not nearly as severe as Atkins, but maybe 100g a day or less--no refined carbs like white flour, bread, sugar, etc.), I won't be worried about carb grams while on the cycle. I will not be lifting or doing any intense cardio. We'll see how it goes.

 

[roofer]

i know people do go longer but dnp loses alot of bang after 7 days. I take one or two weeks off then do another 7 dayer if needed.

 

[Bob Smith]

i know people do go longer but dnp loses alot of bang after 7 days. I take one or two weeks off then do another 7 dayer if needed.

Do you have any evidence/proof of that statement?

 

[big rob]

Bob, I don't see how he could possibly have anything documenting that because it is bullshit. DNP has a 36 hour half life so no matter what you do, you are building the ammount inside you at all times. Thats like saying that once you hit a certain mg in your blood stream it would no longer effect you. In essence there would never have been any overdoses and it would still be legal and sold at GNC. You know that Bob so why even ask for proof????? Being polite????

 

[cvguy]

Most of the studies in the 30's on DNP were 60-90 days, and none of them mentioned any decrease in DNP impact on weight over time.

I do recall something about an increase in side effects after several weeks of continuous use.

 

[j-hawk]

My .02

Almost mid-day at 400mg. took my second 200mg a bit early today (cuz I thought it was later than it was). Did some more landscaping work around the yard, digging holes for trees, etc. Did a lot of sweating, but kept a half gallon of crystal lite near me. Went thru the whole thing in 2.5 hours. I sweat a LOT when I'm doing physical things, but if I'm just chilling, I'm totally OK.

I think the muscle pains in my quads had something to do with electrolytes. I ate 3 bananas for breakfast and drank a V-8 with a shot of tabasco and now I feel just fine.

I miss having a glass or two of good red wine with dinner. Probably wouldn't harm, but I have too much respect for this stuff to fuck with it. Studies have shown that serious physical side effects/death were highly correlated with high alcohol consumption, existing liver/kidney problems (for that reason, I'd be very nervous about doing any oral steriods while on this, or anything harsh on the liver like accutane). Also serious side effects are twice as common during summer than winter!

My energy continues to be good, and I don't know why. Other people have said that they're totally dead on DNP. I don't know if it's because I'm on 400 and not 600 (I'm only 170# or so though). Or maybe it's because I've been snacking on fruit. Or because of the T-3 (75mg a day), or the phentermine (even 15mg gives me a little "jolt"). But so far, this hasn't been nearly as awful as I thought it would be. "famous last words"

We'll see what this does to my weight and fat% about a week after I'm off this stuff. I was originally planning to do 7 days at 400mg, for a total of 10 days. I may decide to extend this to a total of 2 weeks, if the side effects don't get worse.

CVGUY, I think that if this cycle is that tolerable, then you should bump it up to 600. I did what you were doing the first DNP cycle I did, with the same sides you are having, when I went to 600mg, all taken at once first thing in the morning, I noticed a big difference. And in the mighty words of PARA, "we know this stuff isn't good for us so lets get it in and get it out ASAP." A short, sharp, shock (say that 3 times fast). 600 was alot more effective and I sweat balls don't get me wrong but with ECA I was able to still do cardio for 20 min. twice a day. My theory is if I'm gonna fuck around with this shit then I want to get the most from it. Find out your tolerance and hit it (of course you must test every new batch) because to me if you're not sweating through your sheets and sitting in front of a fan all day, then its not worth taking. And it seems to me you could handle more, but wait until your day 7, stop, then wait 7 days and you decide, WAS IT WORTH IT? Just my .02

James Wilson

 

[big rob]

Well, aside from it playing havoc on your immune system, it being a carcinogen and really harsh on the liver etc.... I'm sure it is quite a healthy substance..... A couple weeks is wayyyyyyyy too long in my opinion. 7 on 7 off is the norm.......

Has anyone read Para's DNP facts or is that gone for good????

 

[roofer]

Do you have any evidence/proof of that statement?

i erased my favorites with it but it was heritic that said it in a thread, not that it stops working but slows down, im sure he has info.

 

[roofer]

Well, aside from it playing havoc on your immune system, it being a carcinogen and really harsh on the liver etc.... I'm sure it is quite a healthy substance..... A couple weeks is wayyyyyyyy too long in my opinion. 7 on 7 off is the norm.......

Has anyone read Para's DNP facts or is that gone for good????

if you go to asn cycle forum to harrys dnp post there are studies showind dnp has no effect on liver enzyms that damage liver and other studies showing dnp is not a human carcinogen. Dont know how to cut and paste sorry. Not saying there right but definitly worth reading.

 

[cvguy]

dinner time...4th day. 2nd day on 400mg. I am sweating more now. If I do much more than sit on the couch, I sweat. I probably won't go to 600mg...If I did, it'd be after at least 2 more days at 400. Energy and everything else is still good.

 

[Bob Smith]

Bob, I don't see how he could possibly have anything documenting that because it is bullshit. You know that Bob so why even ask for proof????? Being polite????

Yes. I think he's full of crap, but wanted to see if he could substantiate it.

 

[Heretic]

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation 1996 Robert Ames)

The reason you don't drink while on DNP is not to further protect the liver but to avoid dehydration. Come on people, if you think DNP is a poison then I got some bad news for you about alcohol.
A glass or two of red wine isn't a big deal, but you should avoid anything that would cause dehydration, even caffiene. I recommend taking ephedrine with DNP to keep energy up, but you should avoid the typical ECA stack which serves as a diuretic.
As far as DNP losing some punch after a week or so, that was one hypothesis. It was theorized that due to the slowdown in T-4 to T-3 conversion the fat-burning effects of DNP would be greatly reduced, but recently there has been some debate that this has nothing to do with fat loss from DNP use. The lastest theory is that DNP works NO MATTER WHAT, which supports the traditional use of 60 days or more at 200mg or less. I think the most common reason people stop after a week is because the sides from 400-600mg or more become unbearable and it is difficult to work a "normal" job and not attract attention.
I believe Huck from EF ran a 42 day 200mg low dose cycle, but he had some serious skin reactions in the end due to the histamine build up caused by DNP. This is why I always recommend taking benadryl or quercetin (2-3 grams) with DNP cycles and for a short time afterward, and why my Gen II caps have quercetin in them instead of generic filler. I believe he lost a little over 20 lbs in that time period.
Regards,
-H-

 

[big rob]

Roofer, I will definately check that out but..... I just don't see how it could a)not play havoc on the liver as even asprin is rough. And b) Way back when I believe there was some sort of usage in or near coal mines where the people were ending up with cancer....... I could be wrong but I do believe I read that somewhere years ago....... No matter what, I like the stuff and will continue to use it. I just do my dosages a bit differently then most others these days. It seems to have changed over the last year or so while I was away......

 

[Heretic]

I'm not sure that asprin is rough on your liver, or more rough than anything else. It's rough on your stomach lining, I know that. I think you're thinking of advil or ibuprofen, maybe even tylenol. I know one of those items is very harsh on your liver and a surprising number of people die every year from it.
I don't believe DNP was causing cancer in coal miners. They initially discovered that it caused weight loss because people that worked around it without masks or anything (this was the 30's) experienced rapid weight loss. The reason it was banned was because there were a few cases of cataracts tied to it, only in women though. Before that it was OTC, which I definitely do not think it should be. Because of it's current status one is generally required to learn much more about it before one uses it, much the same as gear, slin, etc. If it was OTC like Hydroxycut idiots would be fucking themselves up all the time.
Regards,
-H-

 

[cvguy]

I posted a link early on this thread that points to a 150 page document on DNP. No evidence of liver damage or cancer.

Anyhow, no way am I going to 600mg. Spent last night all sweaty. Ended up sleeping on the couch.

Eating crushed ice cubes helps a LOT. Even more than a fan. Energy is still good. I think it's the fructose and the T3 supplementation, but that's just a hypothesis.

 

[Iron Jay]

I posted a link early on this thread that points to a 150 page document on DNP. No evidence of liver damage or cancer.

Anyhow, no way am I going to 600mg. Spent last night all sweaty. Ended up sleeping on the couch.

Eating crushed ice cubes helps a LOT. Even more than a fan. Energy is still good. I think it's the fructose and the T3 supplementation, but that's just a hypothesis.

CVGUY, thanks for the diary it is good info for people out..I think DNP reaccts very different to everyone...I was able to do 400mgs no problem for a week and noticed decent results, but I think next time I will try 600 and see how it goes...

 

[cvguy]

Decided to weigh myself anyways...even though I've already downed about a quart or so of fluid. Down about 2.5# since starting, which is more than I thought, given the "bloating" that occurs while on DNP.

I definitely think going the "lower dose" route for the first cycle was a good idea. One thing I've definitely learned: it takes at least 2 days for an increased dose to really kick in, maybe a bit longer. And going up a little bit can make a big difference. I've heard that people can react differently on their second cycle--don't know if that's true, or if it's just because they went with a different source.

I'm currently undecided between going higher (doses) and shorter (cycle) vs. longer cycles and lower dosage. I can't imagine having to work on 600mg-- I had a meeting yesterday afternoon, and was all sweaty and uncomfortable for the whole thing. Glad I didn't have to look at myself Again, I'm only around 175#. Your results will surely vary.

If I recall, tests from the 30's showed that 200mg a day resulted in an average weight loss of about 2-2.5 pounds per week, and these are with people who weren't told to change their food intake. The studies seemed to indicate that the results were linear (e.g. double the dose, double the weight loss). Seems like the side effects go up much faster than that (like twice the dose = 8 times the discomfort).

 

[big rob]

Oh yeah, maybe it was cataracts...... It stated with a C anyway......

 

[BigBack]

Cataracts...perhaps

Yeah, I remember something mentioned about not running long cycles of DNP due to increased risk of cataracts (someone quoted research that explained some protein buildup in a sensitive part of the eye). Anyway, I think it's good to run DNP 6-9 days (you'll cook the day after you stop taking it, too) and then take off a couple weeks to let your metabolism chill out and get back to somewhat normal. It's also a good chance to take advantage of the higher glycogen levels immediately following a DNP cycle..maybe grab some gains while you lose the chub.

 

[Austin316]

400mg worked great for me. I'd do 4-7 days then take a few [3-4 days] off and repeat. I went as high as 800mg and it was TOO much. You sweat the whole f'n day.

Another thing I noticed is that it builds up over the course of a few days.
So you could do something like this:
Keep in mind this worked for me, I was 250 when I started.
Day1 1 cap
Day2 2 caps
Day3 3 caps
Day4 4 caps ****WAY TOO MUCH****
Day5 2 caps
Day6 3 caps
Day7 2 caps

Off for 4 days

4 days 2 caps each day.

This cycle took me down to 238, I lost a good amount of BF.
I also switched from Sustanon 750mg and Tren 600mg a week to 450mg a week of EQ and Masteron. So some of the weight was water.


After messing with this drug, I have found that there is no reason for me to go above 400mg unless it's for only 1 or 2 days.
I can't say for sure but I believe DNP builds up over the course of 2-3 days.
So for me the next time I mess with a DNP cylcle I'll try this:
Day 1 2 caps
Day 2 2 caps
Day 3 3 caps
Day 4 2 caps
Day 5 2 caps
Day 6 3 caps
Day 7 2 caps

This shit makes you hot. It makes you sweat. It makes your heart race and gives you shortness of breath. DO NOT TAKE DNP LITELY!

Austin 316

 

[occam]

At 600 per day this past summer my girlfriend lost sympathy for me and would not stop bitching about the A/C being on full blast all the time. I went out to the couch but was to uncomfortable having any of my limbs touching my body, I ended up laying spread eagle on the floor by the vent.
It was my worst experience with DNP.......couldn't sleep but was absolutely exhusted....started hearing things that were in my half asleep daze....ended up getting myself worried about my blood pressure and heart rate. It sucked.
I made a nice discovery that night though, take two towels.......soak them in water......put them in the freezer......take one out and wear it till its warm.....take the other one out and repeat.....it's heaven.

I like the chewing ice cubes also.

Keep it up man and good luck.