Do I need nolva for "second PCT"? (slow recovery) Bloods attached

[peculiarfind]

Hi all,

I did my first cycle last winter/spring: test e 500/wk. for 14 weeks (w/ exemestane).
I just turned 37 a few days ago.

Started PCT ~four weeks after last pin:
HCG 20k total over 20 days, leading up to PCT
40mg nolva for 45 days
100mg clomid for 30 days (I dropped to 50mg when my eyes started bothering me)

3-4 months later and my libido sucks, erections are not as hard, etc. I was 936 TT pre cycle and 4547 at 6 weeks in. Both bloods below.

Going to get more bloods done in a few days, but I am thinking about running a second PCT to see if it helps recovery.

Question is, do I need nolva at this stage? I imagine I need not be worried about aromatization with, presumably, currently low test levels. Does nolva have additional recovery benefits? If not, I will just do HCG and clomid. If so, all three.

I will post bloods later in the week when the results come in. Thanks!

(Not my first post, just had a name change)

 

[Burrr]

Your plan sounds reasonable,
900 ng pre cycle is really good. Hope you get it back

 

[JackSmooth]

Why did you wait 4 weeks after last pin to start pct? That seems really long. Normal protocol is around 2 weeks

 

[Burrr]

Dr scally is all about going longer than the normal 2 weeks.

 

[JackSmooth]

Dr scally is all about going longer than the normal 2 weeks.

I'll have to read up on that, thanks for pointing that out. I've just always done the 2 week mark.

 

[peculiarfind]

Why did you wait 4 weeks after last pin to start pct? That seems really long. Normal protocol is around 2 weeks

Most of what I read said two weeks is too short for all exogenous test to leave the system. I mentioned two weeks at some point, and many members said that's far too short...

 

[peculiarfind]

Your plan sounds reasonable,
900 ng pre cycle is really good. Hope you get it back

Thanks, Burrr. Should I include the nolva?
Also, where do you, personally, sit with the 2 week - 4 week debate?

 

[Burrr]

Im trt,
But id say 3 weeks or when you can tell that your test is tanked by feel.

Assuming its test e.

All bets are off with deca

 

[Burrr]

And id skip the nolva, do low dose clomid and maybe 250 iu of hcg 2x a week.

But thats just me.
The last time i had a shitty pct i decided to go trt.
But im old.

 

[peculiarfind]

And id skip the nolva, do low dose clomid and maybe 250 iu of hcg 2x a week.

Running those concurrently, I assume? And for how long?

 

[Burrr]

Concurrently, and for a couple of months with bloods done when you can.

 

[peculiarfind]

Concurrently, and for a couple of months with bloods done when you can.

Sounds like no need for the HCG blast per power pct (2000 EOD for 20 days)?

 

[peculiarfind]

To add some data to the "when to start PCT" conversation, here are my pre-PCT bloods. Taken 26 days after last pin. TT is 1035, about 100 above my pre-cycle level. So still a bit of exogenous kicking around. I started PCT a few days later. I'm not an expert, but might be of interest.

 

[peculiarfind]

I'll have to read up on that, thanks for pointing that out. I've just always done the 2 week mark.

Concurrently, and for a couple of months with bloods done when you can.

Not sure if my tagging worked last post...but check out my pre-PCT bloods above, if interested

 

[JackSmooth]

Not sure if my tagging worked last post...but check out my pre-PCT bloods above, if interested

I'm set on waiting longer now. It makes sense, just something I've never done and have never had issues with.
Wish I had your natural T levels too

 

[Burrr]

damn, that is a lot of test left!!!
never would have guessed it could still be that high.

did you do mid cycle bloods? looks like 4500 ng/dl mid cycle..
Just test E or C?
no decanate or undecanate?

 

[peculiarfind]

damn, that is a lot of test left!!!
never would have guessed it could still be that high.
did you do mid cycle bloods? looks like 4500 ng/dl mid cycle..
Just test E or C?
no decanate or undecanate?

Just test E
I did mids, as well. I'll attach them here. Going for bloods again today to see where things stand.

I also did that "power pct" HCG blast leading up to PCT. I don't know if that would have any affect on that pre-PCT TT number staying a bit higher...

 

[peculiarfind]

I'm set on waiting longer now. It makes sense, just something I've never done and have never had issues with.
Wish I had your natural T levels too

Right, seems like good timing to wait. Thinking now, though, I don't know how important it is to wait until you're back at your exact pre-cycle TT? Presumably it takes a bit of time for your natural production to kick in, so maybe a slight overlap is ok--meaning starting PCT with a small amount of exogenous test still around. So that you're natural is "ramping up" as that last bit of exogenous is dying out. I don't know the answer to that.

 

[Juced]

Im trt,
But id say 3 weeks or when you can tell that your test is tanked by feel.

Assuming its test e.

All bets are off with deca

i say closer to 3 weeks as well, and if longer cycle maybe 5weeks of pct over the normal 4