Do not fall in love with sources...

[whodatnation]

Thanks for posting this Johnny as I must have missed the Spring Labs thread while working turn arounds earlier this year.

It all starts right here folks... Bickel, CBS, Ben, Flenser, EBK, mands, brutus, volt, myself and others all questioning his bullshit for complaining in a new sources thread about not getting his FREE GEAR for his 'friends". Holy shit, I forgot he was this bad..


https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/spring-labs-is-landing.134353807/page-5#post-1015250

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

What thread? I never saw it. Ive never unsolicited any information. Ive probably been asked through PM a handful of times who I would recommend and Ive only ever mentioned ones that were on our forum that I believed to be good.

On my phone, can't link it... "The PM Salesman" or something...

Check your notifications "brah".. We tagged yo ass with this thingie "@" a bunch of times..

Though I'm interested in watching my crazy prediction play out, I can't stay up very late tonight..

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

lmao you guys are fucking worthless... I use sap sometimes yeah.. hes got like 3 late packs out of thousands. Which im pretty sure are took care of.. But you can go to pm and read it I don't have to tell you. As for alin its whatever you think big homie... Its a reason no one sets up here and its dumbfucks like you.. Like a bunch of cry baby bitches all over every source that comes here... Your not hurting me at all in fact your constants bullshit has done nothing but help.. Thank you sir

Listen clown, Promuscle wouldn't allow members to bash a paying sponsor unless the scam has become so great it can't be swept under the rug.

Take a look at these comments from ProMuscle. Your illiteracy exposed your lack of intelligence but even a simpleton like you should be able to read these posts and realize SAP is a scammer.

Glad you have recieved brother. I have been waiting 5 weeks and been lied to for weeks. Its time to take care of me and if i had to guess i am not the only one waiting a while. There should be no big sales going on when members have been waiting 5 weeks. I always try to avoid posting T/A issues on board but 5 weeks is not normal, especially when the sponsor has a sale going on. I am not getting strait answers also. I also was told this order would take a week. 5 weeks later i have not recieved a thing.

Im in the same boat also.been well over 5 weeks for me so I just gave up

Here's a warning from a moderator. Now, if a ProMuscle mod is warning members not to order from a sponsor, you know something is seriously wrong.

S.A P,
Im sending you message now to get some updates.

In the mean time based on a few reports I have from the last two days in my PM box... I am advising members not to order from then until pending orders are cleared.

I am not going to lock it just yet. I want members to be able to update.
Ill be watching it daily though.

I have not heard from him about my order in 4 or 5 days and I am not getting responses. I have been told for 5 weeks that its all set, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow and nothing. please let us know tomorrow if you received, thank you bro

Here's a post from a member that did finally receive something but it was so poorly packaged, vials broke open and he couldn't tell what was what.

However, the package wasn't packed well. I'm going to have to see what has broken (everything was simply tossed into a plastic baggie and they definitely bashed into each other because there is oil ALL over). I would be incredibly perturbed had the outside packaging not been done so well, it avoided the oil being seen. However, inside is another story. I'll look more in about 30 minutes, but I can tell some of the labels even came off because of the oil on everything. I'm not trying to be a little bitch about this, but it would be nice for the vials to be somewhat protected.

I can't tell what ANYTHING else is because of the crushed (not cracked, crushed) vial that leaked all over.

I have 3 10ml vials that I can't identify. I have 2 30ml vials that I can't identify. I have 1 30ml vial that I can identify as the "has been crushed and leaked all over everything else vial".
SAP, is the anadrol filtered or ONLY for oral use? I suppose I could see what 50mg a day IM does unless I'm injecting Deca at 300mg a day :-/

This guy not only got ripped off but he notes the usual excuses that scammers use. These excuses are so common they've become cliché. LMFAO

He scammed me twice for overnight shipping it took 2weeks for me to receive my dvds and when my dvds finally arrived I was short a couple of vials so I emailed sap several times about my missing items and he replied ok I'll send it out asap! Now I specifically told him what items were missing And just like I predicted he sent me the wrong vials so I just said forget it I'm done dealing with him. Now I feel really bad because I should have posted this issue a couple of weeks ago to let members no what was going on and to take precaution before ordering He also scammed another member here for express shipping but unfortunately he didn’t have a enough post to speak up about the situation. As a result of this I don’t trust the vials that I recently received from sap I’ll probably just throw them in the trash not only because of the long t/a he also kept coming up with poor excuses like bro we got flooded it with a bunch of orders, Bro I lost a love one in the family, Bro I never got your Emails. Bullshit there’s no exceptional excuses for not shipping overnight when you've paid for it, Overnight shipping supposed to be first priority.

I just been informed that another member here has also been scammed for overnight shipping and was lied to several times and when he finally received his order the packing was horrible. He just threw the bottles in an envelope with no packing or anything. ..hell you could here the bottles clanking around for 50 feet away. It doesn’t make sense cause this guy was on top of his game. I doubt if anything is even real.

Tweb im with u on the missing items. I ordered some things which I never got and after weeks and weeks of him saying there on there way I emailed him again and he said he got scammed of those missing items so I said ok just send me other products which he said ok to but never got . So I gave up. Also I'm with you on the products. I can barely push the sus 400 through a 23 guage

he is not replying to my emails at all anymore. I have a order that's going on 6 weeks now. he owes me big!! nothing to laugh about. all I heard was lies and excuses and now I am being ignored. where are you sap?

Now your scamming source is ignoring the mod!

Not a good sign when he will not message me
Back. Sap?

not good, not good at all.

received part of my order yesterday and was told another part will be here today, nothing came. in a few days it will be 7 weeks. I will keep updating

The LIES continue

You promised me last week i would have everything. Then you said saturday for sure, then it was monday for sure. After 7 weeks its just more lies. Should there be a big sale going on while i have been owed for 7 weeks? This has just been a big headache and i have never been lied to this much in my life. I just dont get it

PM Members you've been warned this guy is truly a scammer, At least a selective scammer if you want to be a fucking idiot then you go ahead and order from this fucking liar and thief. The big sale is the Ultimate Newbie scam setup

There you go, shill. Read it and weep.

You're commentary on Meso has been so biased, I became suspicious as soon as I became aware of it. Your overwhelming concern for the poor sources Meso drove off gave you away. It was obvious you were directly involved with one of those sources and all it took was a little digging to lead right to a trail of dirty pubes. Yeah, your helping noobs find a *good* source through PM, alright - good source for you. For the noobs you suckered... I mean, helped? Not so much.

SAP is STP/Asiaforce, an ugl that sold gear contaminated with pubic hair. He has been run off Meso at least twice under different names and now he's trying to source here once again. I told you you were on my radar and I meant it, shill. I will haunt your every move on this forum until you get the fuck out of here and take your scamming source with you. You WILL NOT be allowed to take advantage of vulnerable noobs on Meso.

CBS

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

What thread? I never saw it. Ive never unsolicited any information. Ive probably been asked through PM a handful of times who I would recommend and Ive only ever mentioned ones that were on our forum that I believed to be good.

Not joking around and Im being serious. I can only say what Ive said. From the moment Ive joined Ive done my best to be upfront and only offer the advice Ive thought was right. YES, Ive been wrong. I was wrong to try a UGL before they finished the COC. Theres a thread where I stated my belief about it and others DISCUSSED their opinions and I believe I should have waited.

BUT! I might have been wrong from time to time, fuck Ive learned alot from back in 2007 man. I HAVE NEVER shilled, repped, took a FUCKING CENT from anyone here!

Thats just the simple truth. I might put my foot in my mouth from time to time, fuck Im human but I sleep fine because Ive never ripped anyone off! Thats not the path I walk in this life. I know I only have my word, but I know, I HAVE MY WORD!

Im not trying to start a flame war with you. I was actually shoccked. Out of the blue im getting PMs from that Kubrick guy and youre all pissed off. If you have a question just ask. Ill answer right here in the open. But Im the first to say Ive been wrong, but Im no thief or con!

On my phone, can't link it... "The PM Salesman" or something...

Check your notifications "brah".. We tagged yo ass with this thingie "@" a bunch of times..

Though I'm interested in watching my crazy prediction play out, I can't stay up very late tonight..

Here you go, follow the original post from this but let's hurry up with this "defense".. emmmmkayyy? You could've done this hours ago, I gotta go to sleep, thanks..

chaseq hit me up tellng me he had a source he could refer me to. Maybe few days pass i ask heard anything. He replied they were thinkin bout sourcing here but werent sure if they didnt they would use a referall system obvious chaseq the reference. sorry bout gramner baby is fuckin screamin somebody helllllllp

 

[whodatnation]

Cbs and Johnny going all Bauce on a motherfucker. You have been owned big dan. Now kindly remove your fake shill ass from this site.

 

[ChaseQ]

On my phone, can't link it... "The PM Salesman" or something...

Check your notifications "brah".. We tagged yo ass with this thingie "@" a bunch of times..

Though I'm interested in watching my crazy prediction play out, I can't stay up very late tonight..

JB theres is a forum thread about this!

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/top-5-non-meso-affliated-ugls.134357070/page-3

It was dry, a thread started looking for NON-meso SRCs that people could look into.

I offered to email one of the private sources Ive used to see if they would be ok with me sharing their contact info with Meso members. I told them it could be a great opportunity. I had good luck with the lab.

The labs replied that they were checking out MESO and if they decided to go public here they would follow the COC. THIS IS A GOOD THING!

A couple members PM'd ME! asking how it was going and I told them just what I posted here!

(I have the PM to prove it.) So this is over me trying to help. AGAIN, I have NEVER unsolicited any information to a MESO member. I have never made a penny from anyone here.

I would have cleared this up but I didnt read the PM salesman thread because it didnt interest me. Honestly Johhny why didnt you just PM me?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

JB theres is a forum thread about this!

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/top-5-non-meso-affliated-ugls.134357070/page-3

It was dry, a thread started looking for NON-meso SRCs that people could look into.

I offered to email one of the private sources Ive used to see if they would be ok with me sharing their contact info with Meso members. I told them it could be a great opportunity. I had good luck with the lab.

The labs replied that they were checking out MESO and if they decided to go public here they would follow the COC. THIS IS A GOOD THING!

A couple members PM'd ME! asking how it was going and I told them just what I posted here!

(I have the PM to prove it.) So this is over me trying to help. AGAIN, I have NEVER unsolicited any information to a MESO member. I have never made a penny from anyone here.

I would have cleared this up but I didnt read the PM salesman thread because it didnt interest me. Honestly Johhny why didnt you just PM me?

Because like I told you through PM, I heard a couple of members got this type of message from you (UNSOLICITED) yesterday..

If we were wrong here I'm sure I'll make it up to you but it really doesn't seem that way..

Looks shady as shit considering after the spring labs incident you disappeared for 3 months and within a week of your return this pops up.

 

[ChaseQ]

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/top-5-non-meso-affliated-ugls.134357070/

This is an open thread from a few days ago! Its MESO members trying to find a solid source.

I didnt start the thread, I simply stated in the open thread I would ask a source if I can share their info on the forum.

How am I soliciting anything? I said I would ask. I did. I HAVENT GIVEN A SINGLE PERSON THEIR INFO!!!!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/top-5-non-meso-affliated-ugls.134357070/

This is an open thread from a few days ago! Its MESO members trying to find a solid source.

I didnt start the thread, I simply stated in the open thread I would ask a source if I can share their info on the forum.

How am I soliciting anything? I said I would ask. I did. I HAVENT GIVEN A SINGLE PERSON THEIR INFO!!!!

So.... You did PM people about your source (UNSOLICITED) through PM? I've asked you this 3x now, answer my question..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You're taking way to long between responses for me to keep going tonight.. I've said for the past couple hours I need to go to bed..

Like I said, if this is all wrong I'll make it up to you but I'm going to get freaking nuts if you kept me up and you're full of shit..

 

[ChaseQ]

I sent you the PM.

So.... You did PM people about your source (UNSOLICITED) through PM? I've asked you this 3x now, answer my question..

Who else said they received a PM from me? I get a shitload of PMs. I try and reply to them all. Again, IVE NEVER SENT ANYONE A PM WITH A SOURCE IN IT!

And the PMs going back and forth with a bunch of the members was in regards to the thread we were chatting in. Even in those PMs I never gave anyone a SRCs. I said I would ask the SRCs and I hadnt gotten an answer. THATS IT!

 

[Kubrick]

Lol @ChaseQ

 

[dper726]

View attachment 15525Cbs and Johnny going all Bauce on a motherfucker. You have been owned big dan. Now kindly remove your fake shill ass from this site.

That's a neat picture and reminds me.......

Sorry I have a filthy mind ignore me

 

[brutus79]

I sent you the PM.


Who else said they received a PM from me? I get a shitload of PMs. I try and reply to them all. Again, IVE NEVER SENT ANYONE A PM WITH A SOURCE IN IT!

And the PMs going back and forth with a bunch of the members was in regards to the thread we were chatting in. Even in those PMs I never gave anyone a SRCs. I said I would ask the SRCs and I hadnt gotten an answer. THATS IT!

So you are telling me you refer people you don't know to Private sources? Either you full of shit or COMPLETELY undermining the purpose of a source being private.... I go with full of shit. You are gettin' money

 

[ChaseQ]

So you are telling me you refer people you don't know to Private sources? Either you full of shit or COMPLETELY undermining the purpose of a source being private.... I go with full of shit. You are gettin' money

Ive spelled it out, explained it in detail and showed the forum thread. If you are incapable of comprehending simple logic and reading...then Ive got better things to do.

I get it Big Bens gone and all the kiddies wanna step up and fill the guys shows...

Heres where you fail. Yes, he was blunt and to the point...BUT, and follow along if you can.

He used reason and logic, he was capable of a discussion and knew when he was wrong and could admit it it he showed respect. So I guess that makes the wanna bes, Bitty-Bens lol

So flame on, assume away, jump up and down and throw an angry tantrum...Ive got better things to do. And Ive been around here enough years to know your type eventually just disappears in time. As Im going to do from this pointless conversation...as you were kids.

 

[whodatnation]

Chase I will bite and be the voice of reason here. Just as you stated above about using reason and logic, can you not see that what you are telling us you are doing, taking newbs and introducing them to new private sources , is not in some way fishy. While you could be completely telling the truth at the very least it would show that you don't take the sources security and well being as these noobs have not shown that they are indeed worthy of being given a private source? As for myself it seems fishy and would rather see a member such as yourself not be in such a situation. It makes it look as if you are either compensated or just the nicest freaking guy on the internet regarding steroid sources. Now can you say that these gents weren't complete noobs but guys that have been here awhile and been screwed over by MFL or any of the other fake ass UGL's that come through here and that was why you helped?

 

[brutus79]

Ive spelled it out, explained it in detail and showed the forum thread. If you are incapable of comprehending simple logic and reading...then Ive got better things to do.

I get it Big Bens gone and all the kiddies wanna step up and fill the guys shows...

Heres where you fail. Yes, he was blunt and to the point...BUT, and follow along if you can.

He used reason and logic, he was capable of a discussion and knew when he was wrong and could admit it it he showed respect. So I guess that makes the wanna bes, Bitty-Bens lol

So flame on, assume away, jump up and down and throw an angry tantrum...Ive got better things to do. And Ive been around here enough years to know your type eventually just disappears in time. As Im going to do from this pointless conversation...as you were kids.

And ben said you were full of shit, remember?

 

[ChaseQ]

And ben said you were full of shit, remember?

Ben and I didnt see eye to eye all the time but that doesnt mean we werent friends. And when I say friends I mean, drank beer together, clown. Which he openly discussed in a post he put up...

Let me help you, because you have clearly failed to see the irony you have created...

YOU HAVE FAILED AND DONT EVEN KNOW IT! And yes thats pathetic...

Let me explain because its quite clear I need to.

Millard gave you an amazing tool...something that very well doesnt exist anywhere else on the entire internet. This is a complicated tool, a tool that takes insight and understanding to use.

BUT, you being a simple minded neanderthal picked it up, and yelled HAMMER, smash...me smash...and you broke the very valuable tool.

See you were given an opportunity to build something, instead in all your wisdom you smashed it...

We have an uncensored unregulated forum that doesnt protect any single individual or party making it even ground for all.

That means this could have been built into a place for quality labs to come and be taken on equal ground, not overshadowed by some shit lab with $ to throw around. YET, where are all these guys???? A good lab could come here, be represented and not pay a dime...YET nothing.

SO either there isnt a single quality lab or YOU FAILED!

You should have a list as long as your arm in your hand instead you have each others dicks in your hand doing the self important circle jerk.

YOU FAILED! And the members that can comprehend this logic will leave because what is to be learned here? Ill tell you, try and help and be attacked by some self important keyboard clown that hasnt done shit for anyone. Simple.

But hey who wants logic, discussion, reason and a long list of quality labs when you can have a bunch of clowns running around accusing people of stupid shit and trying to the baddest dude on the keyboard.

 

[brutus79]

Thank you, @brutus79! I do have many high expectations for this site. This may seem like youthful idealism and optimism but I simply want to make a difference in the world. And what better way to do that than to focus on a topic I enjoy and in a community that I identify with more than almost any other group. The goals include education, harm reduction, political awareness and activism among others.

Traffic is an explicit goal. The more people that MESO can reach, the greater the positive impact it can have on the AAS subculture.

SEO is important too but MESO has no secret tactics. A few years ago, MESO's traffic dropped 50% literally overnight due to a change in Google's algorithm. This made it clear that MESO had to better understand Google. We basically read and re-read the extensive documentation provided by Google (Google webmaster guidelines), studied it and learned how to implement it. After we learned how to do that, we basically focused on producing high-quality, original content and have been doing so ever since. It's all about producing high-quality content to complement community building; the non-forum content receives as much traffic as the forum.

I don't disagree at all with your sentiment regarding sources. The "steroid underground" subforum was not created for them as a marketing forum. It was created for the community to discuss sources for informational purposes. That is an important distinction that hasn't always been readily apparent to everyone.

However, in the interest of free speech, I think it is important to allow all sides to be represented. This is why the participation of sources in the dialogue is permitted. This provides visitors with as much relevant information as possible that can be used to make decisions.

I cringe every time I hear someone say "meso sources" or "sources affiliated with meso" when referring to some of the sources participating in the forum. MESO is not a "source forum" or a source-driven forum.

The forum's freedom of speech and lack of moderation was intended to make the community entirely independent and unbeholden to sources; I think over time, the forum has increasingly understood, appreciated and made the most of this independence.

The MESO "experiment" has evolved beautifully. Too much undeserved credit is sent my way for this. MESO may have provided the platform. But the forum is 100% community-driven. It's what the community needs. It's what the community wants. It's a reflection of the hard work of the community itself. Thank YOU! Together we ARE making a difference!

@ChaseQ - you miss this retard? This is not a place to cultivate sources (maybe it is for you). Only a worthless gear whore like you would think so. Why not be creative and talk about how I joined a year ago? Or how you are so proud of beers with ben? You, my little friend, are a fucking joke. Do everyone a favor and scalp some free gear for "reviewing" purposes and disappear for another few months. We really miss you when you are gone.

 

[ChaseQ]

Ya, I read all the ass kissing and dick sucking you like to do. Does Millard make you swallow? haha