hungryalways
Member
Ah, another bad-sleep sufferer! There are a few of us on Meso, I believe. I'm only on 2IU/day currently, and it still turns my sleep to shit.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Do you feel generic hgh has contributed to your fat loss?
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AlexDavis43
Member
Damn. Is GH really worth it if it turns your sleep to shit?
Could be making better gains without GH if sleep quality was better.
A lot of people undervalue the importance of sleep in making progress with body composition.
I could see how suffering poor sleep might be worth it if the gains were great, but they're not that great with 2 IU GH. I'd rather sleep well (fortunately GH doesn't impact my sleep quality).
LeroyJenkins
Member
Do you have a watch that tracks your overnight HRV?
GH wrecks mine. I've tried am before fasted cardio, both im and subq. Midday, an hour before sleep, right before bed... HRV drops significantly no matter the protocol. 2,3,4iu...
I'm trying 2iu an hour before bed tonight, followed by 2iu in the am before cardio. I'll stick with this for a month or so and see if I can get used to it. Hopefully my HRV will go back up some, over time.
Waking up every couple hours sucks, as well. Not sure gh is right for me.
I do get a good igf-1 response though. Near 500ng/ml on 3iu/day. Baseline of 233.
songsofpyramids
Well-known Member
IMO no, it’s absolutely not, unless you can find a protocol that allows you to get optimal sleep. Op should try pinning am to see if it helps. After around 6 months of use I can now take it at night and sleep fine.
It is wild how under appreciated this is. You’re essentially just spinning wheels if you can’t get in 8 hours sleep with as much slow wave as possible. I made this mistake in my youth and it really held me back,
songsofpyramids
Well-known Member
Gh destroys my HRV. I go from 150 average to 40s average. It freaked me out at first but when I discontinue gh my HRV rebounds to an even higher average than previously. My RHR goes up about 10bpm as well. Dose doesn’t seem to impact it, it’s the same for me 3-8iu.
Great response to gh I’m jealous. I would try different protocols like am injections or when you wake up to pee at night. Sleeplessness on hgh resolved itself with time for me.
AlexDavis43
Member
That is a very good IGF-1 response.
hungryalways
Member
I have low BMD and HGH, along with other AAS, have started to turn it around (+14% increase in the first year which is far above what most would expect even from the bone anabolics like Forteo, etc). HGH has some of the most literature supporting it's efficiency at increasing bone density, so in my case, it's a worthy sacrifice.
I definitely won't be in a rush to use it if and when my BMD normalizes, though.
You could try IM, that way its out of system by night, especially if doing fasted cardio. You can do IM 1-2 hours prior in AM and maybe it will clear before night to sleep better
songsofpyramids
Well-known Member
I do IM. I can do it at night fine now. Just took 6 months. Im in am did solve my issue initially tho.
TheRingloVale
Well-known Member
It was basically lower chest fat that extended around the side a little bit. It looked funny because I'd have visible abs at rest, chest lean enough to see the upper /lower split at rest, visible serratus, but a little line of fat going around from nipple area to where my lat met my ribs.
I finally tightened that up and I'm so glad I did.
BigTomJ
Well-known Member
please for the love of god, stop, i can only get so errect
kingtung
New Member
China from back in the day have been good with alot of things; but after coming back to bbing after long lay off, seems 'generics' have upgraded (i dont believe it close to pharma though or anywhere near).
Generic paractemol was panadol, generic siladefil was viagra, generic Gh is NOT Serostim.
The reason is you can easily reproduce straight chain C10H4N, but 191 amino acid in perfect structure is hard.
I've written it down somewhere, and as i always say 'experience re-inforces theory'.
Its not the same in my eyes; i can have one inject of generic and ill straight away be able to tell its a generic whereas 1 inject of humatrope and you 'feel' kigatropina skin LOL.
Btw; good to see you around here bro, cant seem to private mesasge u big guy.
Ghoul
Well-known Member
China is the largest market for pharma growth hormone in the world. They are the largest producers of pharma growth hormone in the world. Merck stopped trying to sell their growth hormone in China because Jintropin has equal results for a fraction of the price. They're both made from mouse cell lines. They know how to make growth hormone. Technology moves on, things change.
There's only one area of clinically significant difference, and it's the same between US brands of growth hormone as well, immune response from contaminants, primarily aggregates. This can lead to a lessening response to growth hormone over time.
There's only one area of clinically significant difference, and it's the same between US brands of growth hormone as well, immune response from contaminants, primarily aggregates. This can lead to a lessening response to growth hormone over time.
kingtung
New Member
for noobs and layman; generic feels good, for people that have been around they can tell a difference.
