Do you plan to live on GLP?

[SnowyMiami]

Question to those cutting on GLP's. Do you intend to just keep them in forever like GH and test?

 

[dinfar1337]

I understand that both of you don't get it, in the face of people trying to explain to you to the contrary, trying to evoke some empathy or emotion for a lived experience different than your own. I hope that your continued ignorance on the subject will keep you fulfilled and satisfied forever.

Not everyone is just of weak moral character. Our food is trash and the public is very poorly educated.

i am a user of glp-1 myself. i find it completely wrong and delusional to blame poor food intake on such stuff. im not ignorant and i respect you if you're using glp-1s because you have a hard time dieting which many on this forum look down on.

Im totally against you guys making stuff up making it sound impossible to diet and you have poor food and some kind of mental disease that makes you eat bad food without glp.

 

[quarter]

No I get it bro, and like I said before more power to people to using it to get healthy. I have nothing against it.
Categorizing maintaining a healthy weight as torture is silly and counterproductive to me. Taking care of yourself can and should be an enjoyable process.

outside of people who live in food swamps/deserts with a lack of transportation or access to a grocery store, or children who are fed by parents incorrectly there is a level of personal failure involved. The people who do not fall into that camp should be self aware enough and do have enough privilege to take accountability. If people actually lack the financial basis or education to provide a healthy diet can those people really be expected to afford weight loss drugs or have the education to use such drugs?

We live in a world that is increasingly online and access to information is very high. An adult who can frequent steroid forums and read about glps should be able to do a diet…

I understand the difficulty as I’ve been obese myself as an adult and as a child was close to developing diabetes. Again while I appreciate the fact that people are getting healthy with these compounds the ones who actually have access to food (financially) claiming it’s not some kind of personal failure that got them there is misguided imo. People need to know their flaws to address them and grow. There’s no shame in this.

On food quality, America and the west have much higher food quality standards than other countries. Idk where you live but in some places food is actually far worse. Where I live for example many foods have pesticides that use teratogens and EDCs so women have a higher rate of reproductive problems. if you’re from the west complaining about this stuff you need a reality check because the food is much safer and healthier to consume based on banned additives/pesticides etc that are still widely used in some places in Asia, the Middle East and the global south.

OK, I understand what you're saying now. Your original messages come off a lot more aggressive and hateful than this, and I get it, long form got us there, etc. I'm the most anti-fat, pro-educaton person that I know, so your point stands, I just couldn't get over my compulsion without a little help from drugs. Same way I couldn't quit smoking without cessation aids. Now, that never got "My 600 lb life" levels, and I'm thankful for that, but I'm a little bit of a go-getter, so I can see how people who let their lives drift can get there.

And as far as food quality goes, I mean availability of the useless foods out there. No one needs doritos and snack cakes to be scientifically engineered to be as insanely perfectly suited to blasting our tastebuds as they are. They are not made for nutrition, they are made (in my opinion) to literally get us high off of them.

The internet is a fabulous resource for info, but not everyone possesses the ability to separate the good and bad, there is a TON of info out there. Right now, tons of influencers on Tiktok are actively saying that BS sarms work as well as Tren. No one fact checks these goofballs lol

 

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i am a user of glp-1 myself. i find it completely wrong and delusional to blame poor food intake on such stuff. im not ignorant and i respect you if you're using glp-1s because you have a hard time dieting which many on this forum look down on.

Im totally against you guys making stuff up making it sound impossible to diet and you have poor food and some kind of mental disease that makes you eat bad food without glp.

This is a miscategorization of what I said. Our bodies evolved to store fat and eat aggressively in times of plenty so that we survive, as a base level survival mechanism. I didn't say it was a mental disease, because I don't believe that. I think that people who can look at a tasty meal and put half in a box are bucking evolution, and thats pretty neat that, as a species, we've moved past hunger as a survival mechanism.

But blaming people that haven't moved past hunger as a survival mechanism and calling them morally inferior because they can't push themselves away from the table is wild.

 

[dinfar1337]

This is a miscategorization of what I said. Our bodies evolved to store fat and eat aggressively in times of plenty so that we survive, as a base level survival mechanism. I didn't say it was a mental disease, because I don't believe that. I think that people who can look at a tasty meal and put half in a box are bucking evolution, and thats pretty neat that, as a species, we've moved past hunger as a survival mechanism.

But blaming people that haven't moved past hunger as a survival mechanism and calling them morally inferior because they can't push themselves away from the table is wild.

great. If you are fat its your fault i dont care what you're typing about survival, you had all in the power in the world to not eat that much.

 

[keenpen]

This is a miscategorization of what I said. Our bodies evolved to store fat and eat aggressively in times of plenty so that we survive, as a base level survival mechanism. I didn't say it was a mental disease, because I don't believe that. I think that people who can look at a tasty meal and put half in a box are bucking evolution, and thats pretty neat that, as a species, we've moved past hunger as a survival mechanism.

But blaming people that haven't moved past hunger as a survival mechanism and calling them morally inferior because they can't push themselves away from the table is wild.

Stop engaging with these morons. This forum is full of anti harm reduction knuckle draggers as well as "if I can do it and you can't, you fucking suck" type assholes.

 

[phenominal34]

OK, I understand what you're saying now. Your original messages come off a lot more aggressive and hateful than this, and I get it, long form got us there, etc. I'm the most anti-fat, pro-educaton person that I know, so your point stands, I just couldn't get over my compulsion without a little help from drugs. Same way I couldn't quit smoking without cessation aids. Now, that never got "My 600 lb life" levels, and I'm thankful for that, but I'm a little bit of a go-getter, so I can see how people who let their lives drift can get there.

And as far as food quality goes, I mean availability of the useless foods out there. No one needs doritos and snack cakes to be scientifically engineered to be as insanely perfectly suited to blasting our tastebuds as they are. They are not made for nutrition, they are made (in my opinion) to literally get us high off of them.

The internet is a fabulous resource for info, but not everyone possesses the ability to separate the good and bad, there is a TON of info out there. Right now, tons of influencers on Tiktok are actively saying that BS sarms work as well as Tren. No one fact checks these goofballs lol

So you were obese and “addicted” to smoking. How often did you go to the gym compared to now ?

 

[juicebro]

This is a miscategorization of what I said. Our bodies evolved to store fat and eat aggressively in times of plenty so that we survive, as a base level survival mechanism. I didn't say it was a mental disease, because I don't believe that. I think that people who can look at a tasty meal and put half in a box are bucking evolution, and thats pretty neat that, as a species, we've moved past hunger as a survival mechanism.

But blaming people that haven't moved past hunger as a survival mechanism and calling them morally inferior because they can't push themselves away from the table is wild.

Being an overindulging fat piece of s who has no willpower is not a survival mechanism. It's the opposite. And yes they are inferior in every way.

 

[Ateam2023]

IMHO , i think being fat is "A LAZY MINDSET" , ,

 

[DECLAN]

Being an overindulging fat piece of s who has no willpower is not a survival mechanism. It's the opposite. And yes they are inferior in every way.

Well tbf, if there is a collapse in society and we’re all going to starve, fatties have an argument that they will be able to survive longer than the rest of society lol. As long as they hydrate, the fat reserves could be considered as a survival mechanism .

 

[BigMike305]

Question to those cutting on GLP's. Do you intend to just keep them in forever like GH and test?

Tough question

Sema and Tirz have helped me keep my weight down

Unfortunately every time I come off, appetite skyrockets despite eating clean and meal prepping

I’ve always had a crazy appetite and tend to eat more especially when stressed, overworked or tired

Realistically I’ll likely be On and Off GLP-1s long term

Either way, greatful they’re around as they’ve really changed my life for the positive

Currently running Reta at 4 mg a week

 

[Slowww]

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Stop engaging with these morons. This forum is full of anti harm reduction knuckle draggers as well as "if I can do it and you can't, you fucking suck" type assholes.

Stay mad fatty

 

[dinfar1337]

Tough question

Sema and Tirz have helped me keep my weight down

Unfortunately every time I come off, appetite skyrockets despite eating clean and meal prepping

I’ve always had a crazy appetite and tend to eat more especially when stressed, overworked or tired

Realistically I’ll likely be On and Off GLP-1s long term

Either way, greatful they’re around as they’ve really changed my life for the positive

Currently running Reta at 4 mg a week

i think the initial rebound is way worse than your appetite pre glp-1

 

[BigMike305]

i think the initial rebound is way worse than your appetite pre glp-1

I think I didn’t realize how bad my appetite was before I started GLP’s

The rebound is basically what you were at before … most of us don’t realize how much we were eating

A lot of us on them notice a decrease in “food noise “

For instance I used to have lunch, and while I was eating lunch was already thinking about what I’m having for dinner. They do a great job of silencing that. For me they really help to decrease nervous eating, snacking etc . I’m able to say “no” more and wait for my next meal, I’m able to make healthier decisions on a daily basis.

And I know a lot of people will say it’s a willpower issue, and it might be. But these meds have been life changing

My plan is to either cycle them on and off or run them at the lowest effective dose

I went from 255 lbs to 215 lbs over the course of a year while working out and using TRT.

 

[dinfar1337]

I think I didn’t realize how bad my appetite was before I started GLP’s

The rebound is basically what you were at before … most of us don’t realize how much we were eating

A lot of us on them notice a decrease in “food noise “

For instance I used to have lunch, and while I was eating lunch was already thinking about what I’m having for dinner. They do a great job of silencing that. For me they really help to decrease nervous eating, snacking etc . I’m able to say “no” more and wait for my next meal, I’m able to make healthier decisions on a daily basis.

And I know a lot of people will say it’s a willpower issue, and it might be. But these meds have been life changing

My plan is to either cycle them on and off or run them at the lowest effective dose

I went from 255 lbs to 215 lbs over the course of a year while working out and using TRT.

great job. and even if it is a willpower issue you're totally fine whatever gets you results man. but atleast you're not delusional like the other guys commeting paragraphs and making it sound like its not their choice and its the hardest thing in the world its like going to war mf started talking about survival mechanicms he has become a animal with no human emotion to control himself

 

[AnTabolic73]

Well tbf, if there is a collapse in society and we’re all going to starve, fatties have an argument that they will be able to survive longer than the rest of society lol. As long as they hydrate, the fat reserves could be considered as a survival mechanism .

Survival of the fittest bro. They won't be able to outrun the cannibals.

 

[Danchill]

Survival of the fittest bro. They won't be able to outrun the cannibals.

Fitness includes the brain; you don't need to have outrun them if you trip them first.

 

[Pizzaslice01]

Currently on MJ and hoping to eventually come off once ive settled at my desired weight.

 

[oldmanwilliams]

I will use them for life if I have access to them and we don't find out anything severely negative about them. They are too good not to use. These drugs are major improvements to health and well being and I don't see a reason NOT to use them. That's how good they are.

 

[hexagonal]

Being an overindulging fat piece of s who has no willpower is not a survival mechanism. It's the opposite. And yes they are inferior in every way.

I'll preface this with: I think every person on this planet has it within them to not be fat if they work at it. There's no violating the second law of thermodynamics in a local reference frame. Eat less and better, move more.

But it's also true that we have evolved to want to eat a lot and store food in the form of fat as an energy reserve in the body. For the overwhelming majority of the history of ourselves and the shit we evolved from, it was basically impossible to eat so much that we got fat to the point of it being a detriment, and food shortages were common. Even farming as a concept is a blink of an eye in comparison to all the shit that shaped the selection pressure on our biology.

And it took a good long while after farming and civilization came into existence to get to the point that people on average had enough food access to get food, and most obesity related disease kill people after the age of reproduction, so there's not strong pressure now to select for biology that has less desire to eat.

But humans are smart enough to know that being fat is fucking awful for you, and that means we need to take the steps to not be fat. But it is still true that it is an innate instinct within us that has been selected for through our biological family tree for millions of years.


Both things can be true at the same time.

 

[quarter]

I'll preface this with: I think every person on this planet has it within them to not be fat if they work at it. There's no violating the second law of thermodynamics in a local reference frame. Eat less and better, move more.

But it's also true that we have evolved to want to eat a lot and store food in the form of fat as an energy reserve in the body. For the overwhelming majority of the history of ourselves and the shit we evolved from, it was basically impossible to eat so much that we got fat to the point of it being a detriment, and food shortages were common. Even farming as a concept is a blink of an eye in comparison to all the shit that shaped the selection pressure on our biology.

And it took a good long while after farming and civilization came into existence to get to the point that people on average had enough food access to get food, and most obesity related disease kill people after the age of reproduction, so there's not strong pressure now to select for biology that has less desire to eat.

But humans are smart enough to know that being fat is fucking awful for you, and that means we need to take the steps to not be fat. But it is still true that it is an innate instinct within us that has been selected for through our biological family tree for millions of years.


Both things can be true at the same time.

yes, this was my point. We evolved when things like fucking oreos didn't exist. If you had access to 10,000 calories 1000 years ago, your ass better eat up, because that doesn't just happen. Now I can get 10k calories 8 times a day if I want. Its a completely different landscape than we evolved in.

But I guess "stay mad fatty" just sidesteps all that pesky evolutionary talk.