Does an a.i. affect testosterone levels when on exogenous test?

[AnTabolic73]

If one was taking 1000 mg of test e per week without an a.i. will his test levels be higher than if he took 1000 mg of test with an ai?

Same question, but this time with an oral (let's say var)

If taking 1000mg test e per week with 100mg of var per day, will test levels be lower than if just taking 1000mg of test e per week?

 

[G2Ready]

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

[Mr. Magnificent]

Your first question; Wouldn't think so, no. Testosterone is gonna convert to estrogen no matter what you do, your ai only blocks/destroys it (depending on which ai you take). I would presume your test-levels remain the same.

Second question; Nope, test is test and var is var.

 

[AnTabolic73]

A source used this as an argument for low bloods on a different forum. It didn't seem right, I wanted to hear other opinions. First I heard of that.

I figured he was just trying to save face.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

No.

 

[mands]

If one was taking 1000 mg of test e per week without an a.i. will his test levels be higher than if he took 1000 mg of test with an ai?

Same question, but this time with an oral (let's say var)

If taking 1000mg test e per week with 100mg of var per day, will test levels be lower than if just taking 1000mg of test e per week?

Actually and AI with low testosterone individuals will increase LH and Testosterone levels.

mands

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

If one was taking 1000 mg of test e per week without an a.i. will his test levels be higher than if he took 1000 mg of test with an ai?

Its not so much the TT that is the issue.
It is the unbound testosterone (free T) that accounts for the "gains"
So lets take this argument to its full logical conclusion:

If a man was to use Nolvadex wouldnt that be the end all be all?
No, because Nolva lowers SHBG which in turn lowers free T
So just blocking all receptors doesnt equate to more gains. Same goes for an AI which just stops SOME estrogen from passing thru

 

[master.on]

Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI
Letrozole normalizes serum testosterone in severely obese men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Northern Nutrition]

The point has been misunderstood.

The questions is, will an AI increase TT while administering supra physical levels of exogenous testosterone (1000mg/wk). The answer is no.

 

[AnTabolic73]

The point has been misunderstood.

The questions is, will an AI increase TT while administering supra physical levels of exogenous testosterone (1000mg/wk). The answer is no.

Nah, guys test levels were at 4000 on like 1500mg a week. He was also on var and an ai. The source suggested that levels will be lower on ai, as opposed to being on just the test alone. He also suggested that being on var will also lower your levels, as opposed to just being on the test as well.

I figured he was just trying to make excuses why this guys levels may have been low. I was curious to see if any of his argument holds water.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Tell your friend to find another source.

 

[mands]

The point has been misunderstood.

The questions is, will an AI increase TT while administering supra physical levels of exogenous testosterone (1000mg/wk). The answer is no.

Actually reverse that for it being the question. But, yes NN is correct.

mands

 

[2Dumb2Plumb]

A source used this as an argument for low bloods on a different forum. It didn't seem right, I wanted to hear other opinions. First I heard of that.

I figured he was just trying to save face.

Dynasty?

 

[AnTabolic73]

Ye

Dynasty?

Yea

 

[master.on]

The point has been misunderstood.

The questions is, will an AI increase TT while administering supra physical levels of exogenous testosterone (1000mg/wk). The answer is no.

As it would be hard to distinguish between natural and exogenous T
this question is hard to answer even with a scientific study

The main natural T downregulator is Estrogen, but studies show that T by itself will also suppress LH/FSH (to a lesser degree than E) thus suppressing natural T.

At the end it doesn't matter
You HAVE to use some HCG as testis CAN permanently atrophy
the pituitary (where LH/FSH are made) doesn't permanently atrophy from HCG use.

 

[2Dumb2Plumb]

Ye

Yea

It is what it is... but from what I see he's making good on those vials. I mean I don't put merit to blood work. If your boy was lethargic or losing muscle and strength than I would say something's up but Those Test really are a crap shoot

No offense but so much stuff throws off results. I had a friend who smoked weed everyday and took a drug test and passed....no "fake piss" or anything just passed it....

 

[Northern Nutrition]

As it would be hard to distinguish between natural and exogenous T Its not hard, its IMPOSSIBLE. this question is hard to answer even with a scientific study

The main natural T downregulator is Estrogen, but studies show that T by itself will also suppress LH/FSH (to a lesser degree than E) thus suppressing natural T. SUPRA PHYSICAL levels of testosterone suppress LH/FSH.

At the end it doesn't matter
You HAVE to use some HCG as testis CAN permanently atrophy
the pituitary (where LH/FSH are made) doesn't permanently atrophy from HCG use.No you dont HAVE to. Many young men do not require any hCG nor do they experience TA.

Reds....