Does anyone here notice decreased pump when on BP meds?

[Ghoul]

I suffer from slighlt elevated bp. New after age 35. I also suffer from raynauds, which is terrible in the winter. So I have been trying to see a bp of 120s over 80s just as a personal goal. And then was hoping the vaso dialater like cialis would maybe just help with the raynauds. Last night for example my bp was 139 over 82. So def hypertensive. My resting heart rate is in the high 50s sometimes 60 beats per min. Honestly the metoprolol didn't help my bp at all. Just lowered my heart rate like you said. However been reading about nebivolol and it's quite an interesting medication. I think I'll try the combo you suggested first and see what happens. Important to note I'm about 200lb ad 6ft. Under 15 percent body fat. Closer to 12. And I was on trt for a while, currently on 350mg test a week. So I'm not over weight, and my drug protocol isn't crazy. I just suffer from bp issues. Runs in the family. Been doing morning cardio, when my cardio and diet is really on the top number will come down 5 points or so. The bottom number will as well. But a perfect diet takes a toll after a while lmao

Let me reiterate 120/80 is considered elevated under current guidelines. Anything over 120/70 is.

IMO your RHR rate is borderline low and the Nebiv may not be a good idea.

The combo of Cialis and oral Minox helped my Reynauds. Low dose oral Minoxidil (5mg/day) is particularly effective in dilating micro blood vessels alleviating the symptoms and restoring blood flow.

With Cialis, Oral Minox, Amlodipine, 40mg Telm should be sufficient to get your BP into the ideal range. Oral Minox is a very old BP med, very safe, and 5mg is an infant dose. It'll thicken your hair (and beard) as well.

Consider a daily tablet organizer to keep all this straight if you aren't using one now. However, don't remove Telm (or the combo Telm/Amlodipine) tablets from the blister pack until immediately before use. They're particularly sensitive to humidity reducing their potency.

 

[lilhawk]

Yeah, Losartan might be killing your pumps—it messes with blood flow and could throw off your electrolytes. I’d take a hard look at your sodium, potassium, and water intake. Also, if you’ve changed PEDs or your diet recently, that could be part of it too.

Exactly how does Losartan mess with blood flow?

 

[bigtom343]

Everybody,

I’ve been on this board for half a year getting great info and exchange of ideas. I even started taking the recommended 5mg daily of the Cialis to help with my “pumps” but alas I admit I’m still not quite sure what exactly “pumps” are. Both insults and explanations are invited

 

[Mick]

Let me reiterate 120/80 is considered elevated under current guidelines. Anything over 120/70 is.

IMO your RHR rate is borderline low and the Nebiv may not be a good idea.

The combo of Cialis and oral Minox helped my Reynauds. Low dose oral Minoxidil (5mg/day) is particularly effective in dilating micro blood vessels alleviating the symptoms and restoring blood flow.

With Cialis, Oral Minox, Amlodipine, 40mg Telm should be sufficient to get your BP into the ideal range. Oral Minox is a very old BP med, very safe, and 5mg is an infant dose. It'll thicken your hair (and beard) as well.

Consider a daily tablet organizer to keep all this straight if you aren't using one now. However, don't remove Telm (or the combo Telm/Amlodipine) tablets from the blister pack until immediately before use. They're particularly sensitive to humidity reducing their potency.

I hear the lower then 120/80. That was just my initial goal. Even lower would be even better. I'll give the protocol a try

 

[Ghoul]

I hear the lower then 120/80. That was just my initial goal. Even lower would be even better. I'll give the protocol a try

Good luck. Remember, BP meds generally take 2 weeks to see the full effect, and about 4 weeks for any sides to resolve, so patience.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Everybody,

I’ve been on this board for half a year getting great info and exchange of ideas. I even started taking the recommended 5mg daily of the Cialis to help with my “pumps” but alas I admit I’m still not quite sure what exactly “pumps” are. Both insults and explanations are invited

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVCfDioTcY

 

[Mick]

Good luck. Remember, BP meds generally take 2 weeks to see the full effect, and about 4 weeks for any sides to resolve, so patience.

I appreciate the tips bro. I see my primary the 23rd. I'll get the teli, and go from there. I'll update the thread. Looking to make gains on bp!! Lol

 

[120nmol]

I noticed that if I take daily cialis 10mg I lose the feeling of that tight pump but there’s a but.. am/pm my veins are popping out like they are about to explode so feeling wise yep can’t feel it but the world can see the pump ..

 

[knucklesamich]

would you say the lorsartan killed your pumps?

I don't remember it doing that, no. Are you taking anything else for bloodwork or cholesterol? I was prescribed something once (can't remember what it was right now). Sneaky doctor, it was an anti-androgen. That was noticeable, both on pumps and strength.

How's your water intake? Some folks say if you're enhanced, you should be getting a gallon of water a day, not just for muscle tissue etc, but for your organs and general health. Personally I can't drink that much water but, I wonder if that has an affect on pump.

 

[knucklesamich]

dude after noticing my pumps are weak now my gaines have slowed waay down. I really believe the pump is the key to getting massive now for real its almost like im deflated looking now like before when i would get huge pumps i would look really round and full everywhere.

Tell me about it, it's like @malfeasance is saying here that pump sure makes one look good, every time I see myself like that, I'm like, "Ok that has to become the new me, the new norm lol."

Try a teaspooon to maybe a tablespoon of vegetable glycerin before working out, one of my coaches swears by it, he says it will give you incredible mind blowing pumps. Also a little dbol goes a long way as well, just half an hour or so before hitting the gym.

 

[knucklesamich]

Everybody,

I’ve been on this board for half a year getting great info and exchange of ideas. I even started taking the recommended 5mg daily of the Cialis to help with my “pumps” but alas I admit I’m still not quite sure what exactly “pumps” are. Both insults and explanations are invited

I'm gonna get my wrist slapped for a tripple post, but damn, I couldn't help but want to answer this lol.

Next time you work out, say biceps for instance, try hitting a target rep range of 12 or even more. You'll see, those suckers will start swelling up man, they'll "pump" up. I think it is blood and water and glycogen. Someone here may know exactly what causes it. It's awesome though, and if you have a mirror, check it out, you'll look much bigger than normal, which is why folks say we wish to continue looking that way, it's awesome! It goes away in a little while though lol.

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm gonna get my wrist slapped for a tripple post, but damn, I couldn't help but want to answer this lol.

Next time you work out, say biceps for instance, trying hit a target rep range of 12 or even more. You'll see, those suckers will start swelling up man, they'll "pump" up. I think it is blood and water and glycogen. Someone here may know exactly what causes it. It's awesome though, and if you have a mirror, check it out, you'll look much bigger than normal, which is why folks say we wish to continue looking that way, it's awesome! It goes away in a little while though lol.

 

[bigtom343]

I'm gonna get my wrist slapped for a tripple post, but damn, I couldn't help but want to answer this lol.

Next time you work out, say biceps for instance, try hitting a target rep range of 12 or even more. You'll see, those suckers will start swelling up man, they'll "pump" up. I think it is blood and water and glycogen. Someone here may know exactly what causes it. It's awesome though, and if you have a mirror, check it out, you'll look much bigger than normal, which is why folks say we wish to continue looking that way, it's awesome! It goes away in a little while though lol.

Thank you for the enlightenment. I’ll give it a shot!

 

[xrayphoton13]

Are you cutting? I can't get a pump when my calories are low, even if I have some carbs pre and intra workout

 

[Astartes]

^^ I have found more than even PEDs… Carb intake rules supreme for pumps. (Excluding some lower back and calf pumps due to a few orals)

When scaled back by as little as 50grams or cutting … I feel “naked” and small. I have more joint and tendon pain and so now I don’t cut unless I have been hitting sets “easily” to avoid injury, or scale weight down by 5-10% and increase reps.

Reps are second. 15-30 reps will have you blazing swollen and almost painfully pumped if carbs are still high.