Double wood tongkat ali and fadogia agresitis

[Inspired]

You think prolactin caused it? From what I can read tongkat actually lowers cortisol and estrogen but may raise prolactin

I'm not sure actually. Maybe prolactin was the cause. Then it would be important to be ready to combat prolactin caused gyno.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Reading this thread has illuminated why a certain product blew me away about a decade ago. It had tongcat and fagodia and my sex drive and stamina was better on the Supps than it was on exogenous test! I figured they were sneaking something anabolic into the supplement but I think now that it’s just a good product that I responded well too. It’s called HCGenerate and it’s still to this day the only effective non synthetic T supp that could actually compete.

haven’t used it since I started cruising about 7-8 years ago but if I was still natural I would own stock in HCGenerate because that stuff works! Or worked lol. Not sure if it’s still being made lol

 

[hghlover]

I'm not sure actually. Maybe prolactin was the cause. Then it would be important to be ready to combat prolactin caused gyno.

Can you recommend anything easily accessable to counter the prolactin?

 

[hghlover]

I would actually stay away from fadogia, some litterature indicates it might be toxic to your testees. Stick to tongkat, it's much more tested

 

[hghlover]

Can you recommend anything easily accessable to counter the prolactin?

From what I can read, both zinc and vit d lowers prolactin. I also grabbed some p5p tho, that should really do the trick if tongkat decides to do anything too funky

 

[hghlover]

@MFAAS is right about Tongkat Ali to a certain extent. The majority of Tongkat Ali comes from Malaysia and Indonesia, is not thoroughly tested or extracted properly and will do very little to help Test levels. l have tried dozens of Tongkat Ali supplements over the last 15 years and only found 1 that made a big difference to my Test levels and is tested for potency and heavy metals. This is Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% Eurycomanone sold buy Nootropics. l take 1 of the 10% tablets with food in the morning and 1 of the 2% capsules at night with food. When l take this combo my Total Test is always around 30 nmol/L Range 6.0 to 28.0 nmol/L. Before l started this combo my Total test was always around 20 nmol/L. Nootropics test every batch and you can request to see a COA for any specific batch. This is the only Tongkat ali l will buy.

Reviving this thread.

Im reading all over the internet about blood worl showing tongkat consistently raising T but also lowering estrogen, which can be bad as you actually need both hormones.

Have you had any crashes in estrogen on blood work after adding tongkat?

Maybe some of the supplements also counteract that? Im not sure. Like vitamin d, zinc, boron, magnesium etc.

Im thinking of only dosing tongkat e2d for mitigating sides

 

[Highly ecto]

Have you had any crashes in estrogen on blood work after adding tongkat?

l personally have had no problems with low estrogen while using this Tongkat.

Maybe some of the supplements also counteract that? Im not sure. Like vitamin d, zinc, boron, magnesium etc.

Vit D, zinc and magnesium can help raise test levels and shouldn't lower estrogen.
Boron can lower SHBG and estrogen levels.
lf your worried about low estrogen don't use Boron until you have used the Tongkat for a couple of months and had bloods done.

 

[hghlover]

l personally have had no problems with low estrogen while using this Tongkat.


Vit D, zinc and magnesium can help raise test levels and shouldn't lower estrogen.
Boron can lower SHBG and estrogen levels.
lf your worried about low estrogen don't use Boron until you have used the Tongkat for a couple of months and had bloods done.

Thanks for the reply

Actually, both boron and tongkat seem to make me tired and fatigued.

I will try and cut out boron, maybe only take tongkat something like three times a week.

I have also considered DHEA, people take it with tongkat to counteract the low estrogen, but I don't know..

 

[PogO]

tongkat ali is used to prevent premature ejaculation. its one of the most annoying supplements i ever tried

 

[MFAAS]

There's not been any Ling term studies on the safety or efficacy of tkngkat ali. Unlike TRT which has decades of research behind it.

I don't see why one wouldn't opt for TRT over something like tongat ali.. for all we c know it could cause cancer or some random shit like gall bladder issues. Who knows?

 

[hghlover]

There's not been any Ling term studies on the safety or efficacy of tkngkat ali. Unlike TRT which has decades of research behind it.

I don't see why one wouldn't opt for TRT over something like tongat ali.. for all we c know it could cause cancer or some random shit like gall bladder issues. Who knows?

I don't nessesarily disagree, I live in a conservative country tho where even getting blood work done to dial in optimal hormone levels for TRT might be diffecult.

Also, committing to TRT is a big decision

 

[Highly ecto]

Have you had any crashes in estrogen on blood work after adding tongkat?

The only 2 major things that have changed in my bloods while l have been on this Tongkat is my Test and FSH go up by about 40% and end up above the maximum range. My LH goes up a little bit, SHBG, Estrogen, progesterone and prolactin all stay about the same as when l don't take Tongkat.

Actually, both boron and tongkat seem to make me tired and fatigued.

l get the opposite effect to you because my energy is better on Tongkat than off it, but as you probably already know, we can all respond differently to supplements. lt might be worth running some bloods to see what is going on.

Also, committing to TRT is a big decision

l agree, but if the Tongkat wasn't working well for me, or it stops working for me in the future l will be definitely doing my own TRT because l already do all my own bloods. l am 55 though, and l am to old to stuff around the natural way if the Tongkat stops working for me now.