Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data

[WMSuperSport]

I'm nobody, but I think it would be easier to find the info later on, if we start another GH testing thread, Jim. Kind of like a file cabinet.

 

[dmt31]

I don't care if it's in this thread, or another thread, just start posting the data my friend, we need to see it

 

[BeastModeSparty]

I would love some data to help sort through the UGL mess we are dealt.

 

[iMONSTERoid]

Im Thankful that Im in this board with this kind of info. Good Job Dr. Jim

 

[Kinikuman]

I'll take odds with anyone that not one sample is dosed as labeled and some are completely different compounds. If there is any real Tren on the list it will be at lowwwww concentration. Anybody?

 

[wellcraft]

I don't care if it's in this thread, or another thread, just start posting the data my friend, we need to see it

Agreed...

 

[Dr JIM]

I'll take odds with anyone that not one sample is dosed as labeled and some are completely different compounds. If there is any real Tren on the list it will be at lowwwww concentration. Anybody?

I really don't know if that holds true, especially in China, since Tren is legally used for BB in cattle and swine mate.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'll take odds with anyone that not one sample is dosed as labeled and some are completely different compounds. If there is any real Tren on the list it will be at lowwwww concentration. Anybody?

I really don't know if that holds true, especially in China, since Tren is legally used for BB in cows and swine

 

[Kinikuman]

I really don't know if that holds true, especially in China, since Tren is legally used for BB in cows and swine

We talking about the same thing? I was laying odds on the results of what the latest rounds of tests would be... I'm missing the China connection...

 

[Dr JIM]

Perhaps were are referring to different subjects mate

I THOUGHT you were reflecting on the possibility of any "Tren" labeled AAS actually containing it.

I've a SUSPICION Tren and Bolo, both being considered "vet" drugs in China, are more readily available bc their restrictions are
minimal compared to many human drugs, including AAS.

At least that's my understanding based on two Chinese FMGs whom I've spoken with.

The other AAS with "lose controls" in China is testosterone.

One huge difference is Masteril, it's controlled more tightly bc it's classified as a human chemotherapy" drug!

Again this info came from two PRACTICING Chinese physicians.

And I believe there is yet undefined degree of credibility to their comments but to date I've not found any legit UGL Masteril.

Pure coincidence perhaps, but time will tell.

Sorry if we misunderstood each other mate
Jim

 

[Kinikuman]

Oh perhaps not mate.

I THOUGHT you were reflecting on the possibility of any "Tren" labeled AAS actually containing it.

I've a SUSPICION Tren and Bolo, both being considered "vet" drugs in China, are more readily available bc their restrictions are
minimal compared to many human drugs, including AAS.

At least that's my understanding based on two Chinese FMGs whom I've spoken with.

The other AAS with "lose controls" in China is testosterone.

One huge difference is Masteril, it's controlled more tightly bc it's classified as a human chemotherapy" drug!

Again this info came from two PRACTICING Chinese physicians.

And I believe there is yet undefined degree of credibility to their comments but to date I've not found any legit UGL Masteril.

Pure coincidence perhaps, but time will tell.

Sorry if we misunderstood each other mate
Jim

No worries. The Chinese docs you spoke with have no reason to pull your leg. What they told you is very likely accurate. I can affirm that Chinese farmers will juice the B-jesus out anything that produces meat, so the loose controls on vet drugs makes sense.

However, this still doesn't change the fact that to date we have seen lots of bottles labeled Tren that had very little if any of the real thing present. So maybe we have to assume the quality control problems must be downstream of those "horrible" Chinese raw suppliers...

 

[WMSuperSport]

Sounds like we need a hookup with a Chinese veterinarian for our tren

 

[Galileo]

Am I understanding correctly that the raw data has been posted but we are yet to know what sample is "attached" to each analysis?

 

[Galileo]

Upon re-reading the thread: Is it correct that the MS (qualitative) data has been posted but not the HPLC (quantitative), and the lab codes are to come along with the HPLC?

 

[Galileo]

FYI, the chemist at the USP standard facility mentioned in passing, they purchase a considerable amount the required base compounds such as Testosterone, Progesterone and Andro thru Chinese wholesalers.

Although the purity typically ranges between 75-85%, a purity that exceeds 80% is a "rare find".

Purity in this case only includes the INTACT COMPOUND and excludes congeners, substrates, androgen fragments or sub-fragments and other nonproduction contaminants.

Think about that, this is a DEA registered facility, that specializes in the sale of the highest quality AAS available, yet the highest purity they receive is around 85%. What do you believe the chances are of you or some UGL purchasing "raws" that exceed this degree of purity, over the net?

jim

This makes me think of this thread I created recently!
https://thinksteroids.com/community...rom-common-synthesis-manufacturing.134364159/

I am going to bump that thread with the post you've provided, and I link to it here for those interested...don't want to derail this thread here.

 

[berlin]

FYI, the chemist at the USP standard facility mentioned in passing, they purchase a considerable amount the required base compounds such as Testosterone, Progesterone and Andro thru Chinese wholesalers.

Although the purity typically ranges between 75-85%, a purity that exceeds 80% is a "rare find".

Purity in this case only includes the INTACT COMPOUND and excludes congeners, substrates, androgen fragments or sub-fragments and other nonproduction contaminants.

Think about that, this is a DEA registered facility, that specializes in the sale of the highest quality AAS available, yet the highest purity they receive is around 85%. What do you believe the chances are of you or some UGL purchasing "raws" that exceed this degree of purity, over the net?

jim

Dr. Jim,

What is the difference in production methods between 85% and 99% pure testosterone powder? Are they jacking the formula up during production or must the same powder be re-processed to increase purity (washing or recrystalization of some sort)?

I believe this question was asked by amplejunkbin in the mass spec thread but wasn't answered.

For reference: http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Purification-testosterone-enanthate/JPS562999A.html

Thanks,

-B

 

[dmt31]

I'm assuming we're not getting answers anytime soon

 

[Dr JIM]

Dr. Jim,

What is the difference in production methods between 85% and 99% pure testosterone powder? Are they jacking the formula up during production or must the same powder be re-processed to increase purity (washing or recrystalization of some sort)?

I believe this question was asked by amplejunkbin in the mass spec thread but wasn't answered.

For reference: http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Purification-testosterone-enanthate/JPS562999A.html

Thanks,

-B

The production methods likely vary little, but what does change is the number of extractions and/or fractionations.

 

[Galileo]

The production methods likely vary little, but what does change is the number of extractions and/or fractionations.

I know this is a shot in darkness that would make Buffalo Bill's basement in the Silence of the Lamb's basement look like a lamp store... But what can we expect from your standard chinaman powder supplier? Almost none of us have access to quantitative testing of raws from the East. I hope you can write a few words about the % concentration of powders from there..even though this may have little relevance for any individual case of dosing raws for a cycle.

I've read oxy and winny are easier and cheaper to synthesize...maybe allows for a higher average %?

 

[Dr JIM]

Their is no such thing mate. The exception may be registered Chinese AAS suppliers who are vendors for LEGIT US manufacturers. I doubt very few of the former will be found by using "internet wholesalers".