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Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data
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mercury
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is this what you are talking about ?
just look at the fluorescence only a little blue, it shows it is underdosed. I can see without GC/MS that it is shit.
Colt44
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Yeah I ran a couple labmax tests on them also. (You're welcome for the support BTW) I came to the same conclusion. They are shit. This testing was conducted not just to prove they're shit, yet again, but to also compare testing results between testing facilities.
Thanks for your much needed input though. It's been invaluable.
BigAngus
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Couple of things here Jim that make your argument shaky. First, I DON'T WANT TO TEST FOR ANYONE! I don't endorse any source, I don't work for any source. I could care less what the results say or indicate. What is my motivation? If I can help one person from getting harmed then I feel I have been successful. period. There was a period of time that I thought by helping sources determine what was in their raws they would supply a better product. I was wrong there. They just continued to sell their garbage even after they found out it was garbage. I choose not to be a part of that.
So you can't pin that source tag on me, the next logical thing people will think is I'm making money and that is my motivation....I'm out to rip people off and take their hard earned money. To that I say I have a high paying job and am certainly not getting rich off the 10 bucks I make from this, it covers cost and sometimes....if i'm lucky....it'll buy my lunch on a Friday. Again I reiterate that I do not want to test for anyone.
So what is left of the argument that I've heard so many times before: Oh yeah, I cannot wholly interpret the results therefore I shouldn't be doing them. To that I say that most people drive a car but don't know how the engine works. An empty argument. I am not the dr, I fully admit that. I just have access to him. I do not know what my mechanic does but I have access to him too.
And finally the argument that the tests the dr performs are incorrect.....I'm not going to fight with you and tit for tat and back and forth. It really isn't important to me and I will not expand on this and will not answer you back. All I suggest is that for anyone reading this, blood tests have confirmed the Universities findings consistently.
For those reading this the important thing is to keep people as safe and as informed as possible. Use it as a tool, use different analytical material as a tool to research whatever it is that is going in your body. For one person to jump on a perch and crow that they are right and everyone else is wrong is fine. Let them. Listen to what they have to say, use it as a tool to be successful. At the end of the day it falls on you to decide what you should do, and the more informed you are the better your decisions.
The typical rhetoric now is to write a scathing reply using some words in all caps in such a way that looks to discredit someone yet project superiority by using words 99% of the people cannot understand..............I'm good with that. I really don't care. I have no dog in this hunt, I have no interest to impress anyone. I wish every single person on this board success in their AAS hunt. Please stay safe and never stop learning.
You trust labmax. Be quiet.
I was lost without it as well.
Where did I implicate you as a SOURCE ANGUS. I've one problem with your prior commentary, which is generally limited to the analyses you or an associate has conducted, the data simply does NOT correlate with the results you post. DO you really need some examples???
mercury
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it proved a lot of times that it is very reliable too and you can only trust what you really see.
It looks that we can test for potency with labmax too and it does work.
Sorry Angus I beg to differ you are selling a service which I believe and have PROVEN is faulty. Tell me how and why do Meso members "need to learn" from that.
Sitting on the sidelines and remaining neutral is no longer an option.
You say these results were proven correct by blood work, really. Although everyone on Meso understands TT levels are readily available I was not aware the same is true for Trenbolone, Oxymetholone and Oxandrolone, Nandrolone etc. So to suggest some lab confirms your results when they are only performing an assay for ONE AAS, is a gross exaggeration.
Prove I'm wrong by posting a confirmatory serum assay on ANY AAS exclusive of Test.
The point is I am more than willing to discuss my analyses with anyone and don't use some convenient scapegoat such as "I am not a Doc and don't know this stuff".
Well no offense, but the time has come for you OR ANYONE ELSE to defend that which your selling fella, and there shall be no substitute for the OPEN FORUM where Meso members can learn something of value, and that we do agree on.
JIM
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LM potency? Define potency? Did you know the Var Angus tested was also evaluated using LM and the results were the same, the presence of Oxandrolone! And another AAS using LM revealed the presence of Test when only Tren, in LOW concentrations, was present.
Your grossly overestimating the capabilities of this reagent test.
BigAngus
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You must have missed the two different places where I said that I didn't want to test. I have multiple places that I can have samples run at, one of them utilizing the lc/ms. Granted, when I first started using the independent lab they were lumping everything into one purity based on the elution time, they thought that since everything eluted at the same time, and it contained the analyte, then the product was 100%. I have worked with them to develop separation of the ions through a different column and spent some time and money trying to get that dialed in. Certainly it is improved. While it is not perfect it is functional. If I wanted to spend more time and money then i could get it dialed in tighter; however, I choose not to. We're not building rockets here, we are identifying material. this entire "your way is the wrong way" is not productive. I choose to take the high road and not attack what you are doing, quite contrary actually. I think it builds awareness and that can never be wrong.
I am not offended, no worries there. In order to be offended I have to have something to lose and I just don't have anything like that. Why am I here today? meh, slow day at work I guess. I agree with you 300%, in that, it is for the members on the board to learn. I didn't say they had to learn, but the potential is there for them should they decide to. All countries have libraries for research, but it doesn't mean that everyone uses them.
mercury
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look at my post, labmax Norma test, you can see a little blue, uderdosed shit
take a look here
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/mikestrong-test-e-labmax.134359645/
strong potent sample
then see the sample on labmax site, where they tested pharma grade
do you see what I mean ?
I rather rely on labmax to check test enan that those questionable GG, HPLC results
take a look here
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/mikestrong-test-e-labmax.134359645/
strong potent sample
then see the sample on labmax site, where they tested pharma grade
do you see what I mean ?
I rather rely on labmax to check test enan that those questionable GG, HPLC results
BigAngus
New Member
I think that everyone that uses AAS should have a labmax kit tucked under their bed. While it may not be perfect it is sure is better than nothing! Even biometrics have false positives and false negatives, the point is that this labmax has made an affordable and easy to use kit that we, as gearheads, didn't have 10 years ago. Power to the user! hell ya.
I guess that's why EVERY analytical lab uses LM as the "reference standard" to check the accuracy of both HPLC and MS with. Heck I'll bet they are even on "backorder", utterly absurd.
"Underdosed" really well maybe you missed it but that vial was supposed to contain TEST yet ONLY contained TRACE amounts of TRENBOLONE.
The fact is LM missed that subtle fact fella. It was NOT a matter of an "underdosed" vial of Testosterone at all. Nope there was NO TEST in that VIAL even though LM said testosterone was present but in low concentrations, NOT!
So to emphasize, THERE WAS NO Test in that VIAL only TREN and LM MISSED IT.
So hows your LM sales going. lol!
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mercury
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I wish I could make at least half what you make from HPLC sales
He didn't take a penny from me... put that in a vial and tell me how strong the glow is dipshit.
You just dont take this as seriously as I do Angus and that's a shame bc your methods are misleading our members into believing they can rely on your test results to "learn" which labs to buy from and which ones to avoid.
1) The ionic gradient used in HPLC is developed bc of differences in buffering between the mobile vs stationary phases. This generates a hydrophilic vs a hydrophobic gradient which creates difference a substances elution. So it's not some setting that alters a compounds retention but the use of different buffering solvents, that must be calibrated and concocted by the analyst. So there are some exceptions, such as certain sugars, in which the column does make a difference but ASS all use a relatively nonspecific hydrophobic/philic column.
2) No we are not building rockets ANGUS, but when your tests reveal an Oxandrolene "purity" of 100% yet the same sample I had tested (using a calibration curve and THREE HPLC runs utilizing THREE different UV wave lengths) failed to reveal the presence of ANY ANAVAR, it should become obvious to all this is NOT ABOUT ROCKETS at all!
No Angus it's about being forthright and honest regarding the inadequacies and severe limitations of "your lab" most of which fail to meet ANY existing analytical lab standards.
3) But you consider "that a functional", Oxandrolone result, who are you kidding!!
Sorry ANGUS but IMO there is a HUGE problem when someone claims to be providing a service that is NOT capable of producing reliable and reproducible results.
Colt44
Well-known Member
Nor me.
mercury
New Member
in that case, where then do you buy your pampers ?
Really well nothing from nothing leaves nothing, that's a FACT fella. Moreover it's quite unlikely I will ever accept monetary reimbursement for ANY of the tests I have performed, bc of comments like yours, and that's another fact!
But I guess it's possible I would be willing to trade for a few chickens, a bushel of corn, slab of bacon or a horse to help plow my farm land
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