Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data

[Dr JIM]

Why yes It would matter. .4mgof methyltren IS a heavy dose. A sstandard dose of methyltren is 250 MCG. So that would put this sample at roughly 400mcg. If this were being passed as anavar, a females favorite steroid, think of what kind of negative effects she would get as a result. So I do think it is important to know if it was methyltren. Just my thoughts.

It's a designer AAS and is nothing more than TREN with an added methyl group at carbon 17, which probably increases it's bioavailability to some degree.

So if you think adding a single C-17 methyl group to ANY AAS enhances it's potency 100 fold your probably reading to many blogs or selling this "legal steroid". IF it is "LEGAL" it's likely related to the paltry amounts contained in each dose (pill).

Nonetheless if you still believe otherwise locate any literature, especially human, supporting (NOT from blogs, forum or GNC salesman!) an anabolic effect at a 0.2 to 0.4 mg dosage.

The notion is absurd and based on this discussion alone you SHOULD know why, or your drinking to much Kool Aid fella.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your not reading this correctly bc it clearly states the TABLET was DISSOLVED IN METHANOL.

AFTER IT WAS DISSOLVED! It was diluted and placed in an ACN and water mixture, the latter solution is injected into the HPLC.

He does it this way bc it works, and if you investigate the procedure in Harris et al, you will discover this is a relatively routine process used for AAS HPLC analyses.

 

[ebkallday]

Suck a dick Jim. You are drunk in your own ignorance. You must be stupid. Read my post as it is retard. My obvious concern is some UGL is selling fake var that turns out to be Tren. Does this not concern you? I was only asking your expertise on what you thought about the possibility of the var actually been methyl tren was. You dumb fuck, 400 MCG of methyltren is enough to fuck a female up with continued use. Yet you come at me by insulting me??? I am no doctor but I'd put a beating on your geek ass any day bitch. You claim to look out for members safety? Yet I bring a legit safety issue to the table and you act like I am challenging you?? You are the lame other vets talk about. I feel bad for your ego.

 

[Dr JIM]

I hope you can understand how you overtly misrepresented the process clearly described by the chemist Reg.

BC using a "pharmacopeia" to determine the appropriateness of an HPLC procedure is pure BUNK.

Heck why don't you investigate the HPLC usefulness of ACN, H-2-O and Methanol as described on WIKI for starters.

Oh and it seems odd Brute is posting in your stead. Why is that, no offense to Brute.

But any more questions on your behalf should be posted by YOU REG, and I know we agree on this.

But your welcome to try again fella, lol!

 

[Dr JIM]

Suck a dick Jim. You are drunk in your own ignorance. You must be stupid. Read my post as it is retard. My obvious concern is some UGL is selling fake var that turns out to be Tren. Does this not concern you? I was only asking your expertise on what you thought about the possibility of the var actually been methyl tren was. You dumb fuck, 400 MCG of methyltren is enough to fuck a female up with continued use. Yet you come at me by insulting me??? I am no doctor but I'd put a beating on your geek ass any day bitch. You claim to look out for members safety? Yet I bring a legit safety issue to the table and you act like I am challenging you?? You are the lame other vets talk about. I feel bad for your ego.

Any evidence for your emotionally laden post? Didn't think so!

 

[ebkallday]

Jim, I came to this thread to learn from all of this. Your the one withthe kknowledge on all this. I did not misrepresent anything here because I don't know what the hell it all means. I am new to this testing and was simply asking questions. Break me down on why it is not methyl Tren or if that would require new or different testing. I was asking questions to learn and you come at me insults and try to take me down a peg because I don't know the answers I am looking to you for? What the fuck is wrong with you? Educate us, don't gloat about the knowledge you have and insult those of us who are trying to learn from you.

 

[ebkallday]

[QUOTE="Dr JIM, post: 1137424, member: 50161"evidence for your emotionally laden post? Didn't think so![/QUOTE]

Again, are you here to educate us or insult members who have questions??? I am trying to learn not challenge you. Are you off you mood stabilizers Jimmy Boy??

 

[Dr JIM]

Jim, I came to this thread to learn from all of this. Your the one withthe kknowledge on all this. I did not misrepresent anything here because I don't know what the hell it all means. I am new to this testing and was simply asking questions. Break me down on why it is not methyl Tren or if that would require new or different testing. I was asking questions to learn and you come at me insults and try to take me down a peg because I don't know the answers I am looking to you for? What the fuck is wrong with you? Educate us, don't gloat about the knowledge you have and insult those of us who are trying to learn from you.

Your first question was could it be M-T vs T that was detected and my reply was DOES IT MATTER at such low doses. I contend it doesn't, and for good reason, you believe otherwise.

So I'm only asking for the evidence that supports your claim (which refuted mine) that such paltry doses of M-T is effective as an anabolic.

You directly claimed such doses are effective well prove it!

I've already emphasized the difference between M-T and T but for some reason you won't buy it, why is that?

 

[mands]

Suck a dick Jim. You are drunk in your own ignorance. You must be stupid. Read my post as it is retard. My obvious concern is some UGL is selling fake var that turns out to be Tren. Does this not concern you? I was only asking your expertise on what you thought about the possibility of the var actually been methyl tren was. You dumb fuck, 400 MCG of methyltren is enough to fuck a female up with continued use. Yet you come at me by insulting me??? I am no doctor but I'd put a beating on your geek ass any day bitch. You claim to look out for members safety? Yet I bring a legit safety issue to the table and you act like I am challenging you?? You are the lame other vets talk about. I feel bad for your ego.

He doesn't know ebkallday that's why the deflection.

Just show him the effective dose of methyltren.

mands

 

[ebkallday]

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He doesn't know ebkallday that's why the deflection.

Just show him the effective dose of methyltren.

mands

That's what I figured.

 

[mands]

Jim I suggest if you really want to help members and MESO understand what you are trying to convey, you should probably understand what type of mg or mcg per PED is considered a low or high dose for the end user. Whether it's female or male.

If you want to be a teacher then act like one, be patient and not condescending.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh really MANDS, here's the answer to the question, I suppose it possible but there is NO WAY of knowing absent a research standard for comparison.

I will reiterate it doesn't matter with such low dosages of M-T

Are you willing to find a legitimate M-T research standard MANDS? Good luck.

Finally there's your answer now the evidence Tren absorbed orally is MORE EFFECTIVE than when used parenterally.

Bc that's what happens to M-T when ingested it is DE-Methylated thereby becoming Tren!

So again let's see the evidence supporting this effective "bro dosage" of M-T

Better yet look up the MW of T and M-T what's the difference 14 Dalton's, now that's a difference on one METHYL GROUP. (284 vs 270)

Or go check out the 3-D of M-T vs T what's the difference ONE METHYL GROUP at C-17

Enough said!

 

[thetdog666]

Jim could you have a look at my attachment and tell me what you think. I had erythropoietin sent for a mass spec.

 

[mands]

Oh really MANDS, here's the answer to the question, I suppose it possible but there is NO WAY of knowing absent a research standard for comparison.

I will reiterate it doesn't matter with such low dosages of M-T

Are you willing to find a legitimate M-T research standard MANDS? Good luck.

Finally there's your answer now the evidence Tren absorbed orally is MORE EFFECTIVE than when used parenterally.

Bc that's what happens to M-T when ingested it is DE-Methylated thereby becoming Tren!

So again let's see the evidence supporting this effective "bro dosage" of M-T

Here's the thing with Pro hormones and "bro dosage" which you know I hate. That's all we have except some studies on canines/animals that I've seen. So the question is very valid and the possibility which you stated even makes it a great question.

M-T powder is being sold as a pro hormone and at the doses @ebkallday is expressing. "Bro dosage" at the levels he is stating are giving humans results bad and good. Hell, AAS didn't work on humans for increasing performance or building muscle according to "Doctors" studies not too long ago.

If "K" is getting Methyl Tren powder and using it as Var powder that is a HUGE problem.

He raises a very important question and instead of being a dick head why not address it? Or just say I don't have a clue?

mands

 

[ebkallday]

Here's the thing with Pro hormones and "bro dosage" which you know I hate. That's all we have except some studies on canines/animals that I've seen. So the question is very valid and the possibility which you stated even makes it a great question.

M-T powder is being sold as a pro hormone and at the doses @ebkallday is expressing. "Bro dosage" at the levels he is stating are giving humans results bad and good. Hell, AAS didn't work on humans for increasing performance or building muscle according to "Doctors" studies not too long ago.

If "K" is getting Methyl Tren powder and using it as Var powder that is a HUGE problem.

He raises a very important question and instead of being a dick head why not address it? Or just say I don't have a clue?

mands

Thanks Mands. Glad I'm not the only one that sees it.

 

[Dr JIM]

Here's the thing with Pro hormones and "bro dosage" which you know I hate. That's all we have except some studies on canines/animals that I've seen. So the question is very valid and the possibility which you stated even makes it a great question.

M-T powder is being sold as a pro hormone and at the doses @ebkallday is expressing. "Bro dosage" at the levels he is stating are giving humans results bad and good. Hell, AAS didn't work on humans for increasing performance or building muscle according to "Doctors" studies not too long ago.

If "K" is getting Methyl Tren powder and using it as Var powder that is a HUGE problem.

He raises a very important question and instead of being a dick head why not address it? Or just say I don't have a clue?

mands

Your comment was not condescending, MANDS PLEASE!

 

[Dr JIM]

Lets face it some people ya just can't help bc their "ego" is bigger than mine!

 

[Colt44]

Come on Jim. It was a valid question that turned into a pissing match through condescension.

Is there an answer to the question?

 

[ebkallday]

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/methyltrienolone/

Effective doses of methyltrienolone begin at 25mcg. I think if Karl was selling fake var with methyltrienolone in it, we have a gigantic freaking issue. The question is jim, How can a man of your caliber figure out if that is indeed what we are dealing with? A standard you say, well just head on down to GNC and obtain one right? I actually have some from naps that did a number on my liver enzymes and gave me some of the worst "Tren Sides" I have ever experienced. I was only taking 500 mcg a day. If it did that to me, I could only imagine if my wife took the shit for several weeks thinking it was the almighty Sciroxx var. If this sample was from Karl, that is all the more reason to warn members to stay away from his labs.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The HPLC does NOT say the sample contains methyltrienolone; it clearly states TRENBOLONE. If the sample did in fact contain methyltrienolone at the concentration found by the HPLC, that would be a serious finding because of the potential for harm to users.

That said, this back-and-forth is just creating a needless distraction from the real issue - Karius selling bunk Anavar.



Steroids Volume 8, Issue 1, July 1966, Pages 13–24
Liver toxicity of a new anabolic agent: Methyltrienolone (17α-Methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one)
Hans L. Krüskemper, Georg Noell

Abstract
Methyltrienolone (17α-methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one), which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose of less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphatase and cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis. Effective doses lay between 0.1 and 1.0 mg steroid drug per day, thus methyltrienolone at present being the most “hepatotoxic” steroid.