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lantus and humalog

boiwalker6548 said:
are those two the only insulins worth using, i wonder, why would one use any other insulin and also is slin short for insulin
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Yes slin is short for insulin. Fun fact, insulin is the only AAS/PED that can kill you and one you can buy without a prescription. No I am not trying to discourage you from becoming a mass monster just saying make sure you know what the fuck you are doing. I'm personally to stupid to fuck with slin (I sometimes forget if I injected or not) lol.
 
I experimented with short R and medium N walmart insulin protocols. Not as scary as it seemed at smaller doses (10-15 iu) as long as you have a supply of fast digesting sugars on hand. I used dextrose. The Novolin R has it's peak at 1.5 hours and 4.5 hours. I take 10-15 iu 1.5 hours prior to first rep and chase every set with coorersponding sips of dextrose (100-150 grams diluted in water with EAA) the usual ratio is 1IU to 10 grams of dextrose. I felt what hypo feels like without the fast sugars on hand. Not fun experience. Have sugars on hand. The pump is superb as nutrients bypass liver and get straight to the cells from blood. Test the sugar before post-workout meal to be under 80 and showel chicken/rice as second peak approaches. This might be too much for some, but becomes a routine. The N insulin is much smoother without sharp peaks but has no place in my routine. The long acting insulin is used when you have your meals dialed in and/or diabetic. It keeps sugar steady for a full day depending on a brand. Test your blood sugars regularly at first. It becomes second nature when you know the feeling of low sugar. The top (long) brands are Triceba , Toujeo. The short acting is Humilin R ( starts in 30 min}. I use $25 walmart brand Novolin R. Works for me. Hope this helps someone. Test your sugars! Glucose meters are cheap insurance.
 
RaddishPork said:
great post bro i was actually wondering the same things myself but too scared to ask!
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there are many insulins, lantus is good bc it raises igf1 the most and it wont send u hypo (unless u take 300iu ofc), its got a longer half life but not long enough to cause any trouble, however due to the longer half life we get the good effect of lantus for period of time that isnt to long or to short, not only does insulin raises the rate of conversion from hgh to igf1 but insulin itself acticvates many anabloic pathways, insulin is ofc paired with hgh, i wont bother to spell out why bc that would take to long bbut tldr insulin and hgh are a 1+1=3 situation, also insulin counteracts the blood sugar effects of hgh which is essential bc it prevents roid gut, contrary of popular belief roid gut isnt causes by growth of the intestines but rather a result of the nerves being damaged (prolonged high blood sugar causes nerve damage) and this nerve damage makes the muscle cells unable to contract properly which leads to the core muscles not being able to hold the intestines in anymore, so hgh + insulin = no roid gut, the ideal time to take hgh is before sleep, hgh sets corcadian rythm, hgh is produced most at night, its just smarter bc during sleep all the regenrative processes take place, this means we also want to pin the insulin before sleep , i think a ratio of 1iu hgh = 3 iu lantus is ideal, again lantus cannot kill you unless you horribly overdose, now i think its useless to inject anything below 10 iu, it just wont be enough to get proper results ( remember all those ppl saying they didnt get any results from hgh took 2iu or something like that bc they cant afford more) also u want to take ipamorelin and cjc no dac along to have an own production going and so that your body prodcuces multiple molecular weights of hgh, so that means 10iu hgh before sleep with 30 iu lantus before with uhh idk like 500mcg ipamorelin and i dont know what cjc no dac dosage, also never do ed but always eod, bonus is to inject ghrp2 and ghrp6 and igf1lr3 and peg mgf during the day before eating, now humalog could be accutely used to lower blood sugarand post meal and i asked here bc i wasnt so sure about the other insulins but well what did i get, stupid meat head answers
 
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boiwalker6548 said:
there are many insulins, lantus is good bc it raises igf1 the most and it wont send u hypo (unless u take 300iu ofc), its got a longer half life but not long enough to cause any trouble, however due to the longer half life we get the good effect of lantus for period of time that isnt to long or to short, not only does insulin raises the rate of conversion from hgh to igf1 but insulin itself acticvates many anabloic pathways, insulin is ofc paired with hgh, i wont bother to spell out why bc that would take to long bbut tldr insulin and hgh are a 1+1=3 situation, also insulin counteracts the blood sugar effects of hgh which is essential bc it prevents roid gut, contrary of popular belief roid gut isnt causes by growth of the intestines but rather a result of the nerves being damaged (prolonged high blood sugar causes nerve damage) and this nerve damage makes the muscle cells unable to contract properly which leads to the core muscles not being able to hold the intestines in anymore, so hgh + insulin = no roid gut, the ideal time to take hgh is before sleep, hgh sets corcadian rythm, hgh is produced most at night, its just smarter bc during sleep all the regenrative processes take place, this means we also want to pin the insulin before sleep , i think a ratio of 1iu hgh = 3 iu lantus is ideal, again lantus cannot kill you unless you horribly overdose, now i think its useless to inject anything below 10 iu, it just wont be enough to get proper results ( remember all those ppl saying they didnt get any results from hgh took 2iu or something like that bc they cant afford more) also u want to take ipamorelin and cjc no dac along to have an own production going and so that your body prodcuces multiple molecular weights of hgh, so that means 10iu hgh before sleep with 30 iu lantus before with uhh idk like 500mcg ipamorelin and i dont know what cjc no dac dosage, also never do ed but always eod, bonus is to inject ghrp2 and ghrp6 and igf1lr3 and peg mgf during the day before eating, now humalog could be accutely used to lower blood sugarand post meal and i asked here bc i wasnt so sure about the other insulins but well what did i get, stupid meat head answers
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Where are all the diabetics with roid guts if "roidgut" is caused by nerve damage from elevated blood glucose?

I dont think that makes any sense.
 
boiwalker6548 said:
i never tried to figure it out, can you tell me ur opinion on what i wrote
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Sure bro, I don’t agree with using insulin before sleeping. If you need to do that though, that’s fine, just maybe not my cup of tea. And I don’t think that using lantus as a prophylactic for lowering blood sugar or A1C should come before cardio and other things.

10iu is fine to start people off safely. Low doses of humalog are fine too. It’s 100% not risk free even at moderate doses. Can it be safe in many situations? Yes. Do I feel safe using insulin. Yes, extremely because my food schedule is very consistent, and so is my insulin timing.

BUT people can get hurt from it.

I personally know guys who have almost passed out because they miss meals or some weird stuff comes up in their day and they were advised to stop using it because it got to the point where it was legitimately life threatening.

It’s not for irresponsible people, or people who have poor/inconsistent dietary habits.

Personally i also think the drug protocols you’re talking about for 30 iu before sleep sounds unnecessary.
Ime having it 1-2x a week with high days is more helpful, and using humalog at low-moderate doses pre and post training is a lot simpler and requires less drugs overall but goes a long way. Also I don’t agree with hgh always being ideally used before sleeping, and there are several ways to use it depending on goals. Personally I use hgh pre workout timed specifically with humalog to attempt to counter lipogenisis that can occur with insulin use. In the past I have used insulin without gh, and with gh before bed, and the results with it being used alongside humalog have been the best for my off season.
Not to say that there is anything wrong with it before sleep, but I think there are other effective ways to use it.
 
Please stop talking to this guy. Look at his history.
First he wants to use something that has no sides, then he wants to put his test levels exactly at 1200 but not higher, then asking about igf-mgf and now insulin.
Guy is completely clueless of what he wants and he just reads through information without looking deeper into it.
I didn’t read through this thread completely but saw that he said insulin is used to lower blood sugar caused by hgh and that it prevents bubble guts. If you truly did reaseach, you would have known that insulin just masks the higher blood glucose of hgh, and it will actually make it worse since more insulin equals more insulin resistance caused by downregulation. It won’t prevent bubble guts, the real reason is not known though, but can actually worsen it since it’s anabolic for muscle and for fat tissue too. You are just forcing your body to shovel the extra blood glucose in different tissues with no selectivity.
Take your creatine and train hard forget about chemistry
 
boiwalker6548 said:
there are many insulins, lantus is good bc it raises igf1 the most and it wont send u hypo (unless u take 300iu ofc), its got a longer half life but not long enough to cause any trouble, however due to the longer half life we get the good effect of lantus for period of time that isnt to long or to short, not only does insulin raises the rate of conversion from hgh to igf1 but insulin itself acticvates many anabloic pathways, insulin is ofc paired with hgh, i wont bother to spell out why bc that would take to long bbut tldr insulin and hgh are a 1+1=3 situation, also insulin counteracts the blood sugar effects of hgh which is essential bc it prevents roid gut, contrary of popular belief roid gut isnt causes by growth of the intestines but rather a result of the nerves being damaged (prolonged high blood sugar causes nerve damage) and this nerve damage makes the muscle cells unable to contract properly which leads to the core muscles not being able to hold the intestines in anymore, so hgh + insulin = no roid gut, the ideal time to take hgh is before sleep, hgh sets corcadian rythm, hgh is produced most at night, its just smarter bc during sleep all the regenrative processes take place, this means we also want to pin the insulin before sleep , i think a ratio of 1iu hgh = 3 iu lantus is ideal, again lantus cannot kill you unless you horribly overdose, now i think its useless to inject anything below 10 iu, it just wont be enough to get proper results ( remember all those ppl saying they didnt get any results from hgh took 2iu or something like that bc they cant afford more) also u want to take ipamorelin and cjc no dac along to have an own production going and so that your body prodcuces multiple molecular weights of hgh, so that means 10iu hgh before sleep with 30 iu lantus before with uhh idk like 500mcg ipamorelin and i dont know what cjc no dac dosage, also never do ed but always eod, bonus is to inject ghrp2 and ghrp6 and igf1lr3 and peg mgf during the day before eating, now humalog could be accutely used to lower blood sugarand post meal and i asked here bc i wasnt so sure about the other insulins but well what did i get, stupid meat head answers
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It's worth mentioning that 1iu of Insulin equals to 1 tiny mark on syringe while 1 out of peptides (gh) 10iu mark on syringe. That's how people inject 100iu Instead of 10iu asking for hypo. Hope this helps
 
eery said:
Where are all the diabetics with roid guts if "roidgut" is caused by nerve damage from elevated blood glucose?

I dont think that makes any sense.
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good question, maybe theres more to it. however:
Yes, many diabetics do experience nerve damage, a condition known as diabetic neuropathy. This is a common complication of diabetes, affecting a significant portion of diabetic patients:
  1. Nearly 50% of adults with diabetes develop diabetic peripheral neuropathy during their lifetime

  2. The overall prevalence of diabetic peripheral neuropathy across different countries is estimated at 26.71%, though this varies considerably between regions

  3. In type 1 diabetes, the prevalence of diabetic neuropathy is around 28.70%, while in type 2 diabetes, it's higher at about 50.70%

  4. Approximately 7.5% of patients already have neuropathy at the time of diabetes diagnosis

  5. Even among newly diagnosed diabetics, the prevalence of peripheral neuropathy is about 26.52%

    The risk of developing nerve damage increases with factors such as longer duration of diabetes, poor glycemic control, age, and the presence of other complications like hypertension and cardiovascular disease

While not all diabetics will develop nerve damage, it's a significant concern that requires regular monitoring and management to prevent or slow its progression.
 
boiwalker6548 said:
good question, maybe theres more to it. however:
Yes, many diabetics do experience nerve damage, a condition known as diabetic neuropathy. This is a common complication of diabetes, affecting a significant portion of diabetic patients:
  1. Nearly 50% of adults with diabetes develop diabetic peripheral neuropathy during their lifetime

  2. The overall prevalence of diabetic peripheral neuropathy across different countries is estimated at 26.71%, though this varies considerably between regions

  3. In type 1 diabetes, the prevalence of diabetic neuropathy is around 28.70%, while in type 2 diabetes, it's higher at about 50.70%

  4. Approximately 7.5% of patients already have neuropathy at the time of diabetes diagnosis

  5. Even among newly diagnosed diabetics, the prevalence of peripheral neuropathy is about 26.52%

    The risk of developing nerve damage increases with factors such as longer duration of diabetes, poor glycemic control, age, and the presence of other complications like hypertension and cardiovascular disease

While not all diabetics will develop nerve damage, it's a significant concern that requires regular monitoring and management to prevent or slow its progression.
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You are giving more information acquired on chatgpt on neuropathy while speaking about bubble gut which are not related.
how old are you?
 
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