Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data

[Dr JIM]

I sure did you moron and they have yet to be answered. Mands has pointed it out in his last post. Lol. Its obvious you are not here to help Meso members.

Not cry babies like YOU! What did your feeling get hurt wa, wa, wa. Get over it!

 

[Dr JIM]

Wow, so you can answer simple questions. Good job Jimmy, a treat for you, good boy.

Wow, so you can answer simple questions. Good job Jimmy, a treat for you, good boy.

If the question was so simple why did you ask or not answer it. Because I'll betcha you don't understand it, perhaps I should reword it at a more elementary level "just for you".

Odd how my instincts said your post was best overlooked, my intuition has been confirmed!

Enjoy the curbside fella!

 

[mands]

It states possible tren-E TRACES for the first three samples. JB's sample clearly states TRENBOLONE was found.

So I'm guessing the following. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

On the analysis above:
ID - Stands of the Identification of the product being tested.?
Steroid (?) - Stands for the steroid in question.?
[C] - Conclusion of the product tested.?

mands

 

[mands]

There are THREE places where the chemist says it's "Tren" and in the summary he states it's probable Tren!

That's the limit of HPLC when the concentration of the substance being tested is so low as in this case.

These situations arise during WADA sanctioned athletic events and in this case the sample would require a "confirmatory MS analysis" especially if the athlete appealed. (That may NOT be the case if Tren and three of its metabolizes were identified)

There are huge differences bc when "pills or oils" are being analyzed no AAS metabolizes are available for study bc the specimens are not derived from urine!

So in pill or oil based analyses there is only ONE compound to search for BUT the compound which was identified in this instance met absorption characteristics, in THREE different wave lengths, that are classic for TREN.

So I've NO DOUBT "Tren" is present but whether it's only Tren without another conjugate ethyl, ethyl, acetate or Enanthate
form being present, can not be certain.

Thank you!

mands

 

[brutus79]

I didn't overtly misrepresent anything. I included a reference for every single thing I said.

Dr Jim used an inadequate solvent polar solvent (methanol) and inadequate volume of the solvent he selected 1/10 dilution factor instead of 1/30 to 1/100 dilution factor. Also note that the dilution factor of 1/30 to 1/100 is for just the solute, not a solute combined with an excipient (what a tablet is). I have no idea where he got the idea to dissolve oxandrolone in methanol. Oxandrolone is poorly soluble in methanol. Properties for the solubility of substances can be found in a pharmacopeia, merck index, or a monagraph. He is criticizing me for utilizing a credible source of solubility information. I wonder how he came to the conclusion that methanol was an appropriate solvent for oxandrolone. I suspect this solvent was chosen because it has been outlined in the procedure for extracting tren from finaplex on world class bodybuilding.

I get what you guys are trying to do here. You guys want to test products. You're trying to find answers and that's something to be applauded. I like Dr, Jim and I don't think he's shady. Quite frankly you're not sending these samples to a professional analytical lab that is use to testing these substances. Please get a test from a professional analytical lab that is not being conducted by your friend.

I probably will not be posting on Meso anymore because Millard likes to refer to me as a liar. I'll probably only stop by to help if someone is running a major scam in the steroid underground like I have in the past. Dr. Jim is welcome to speak to me here where I'm posting.

I don't see anything in estacydata's faq about them not testing hormones. They have tested ALP anavar as anavar in the past. You don't have to tell them what you suspect the tablet is, but if you do, it should give them a better chance of determining what is inside the tablet.

 

[Dr JIM]

It states possible tren-E TRACES for the first three samples. JB's sample clearly states TRENBOLONE was found.

That correct CBS and if you look back at the "overlay" he conducted on FBs sample, it clearly shown where the chemist scribes "Trenbolone" with an arrow directed AT JB's sample.

Fact is this was the ONLY sample that actually revealed a clearly defined Tren peak the others having a much lower concentration, were not definitive on HPLC, but strong enough to suggest the presence of Tren.

 

[Dr JIM]

Regular I will not answer your questions unless you post them.
Incidentally have you ever heard of "ever clear" being used as an solvent by UGL for AAS?
Obviously just another naysayer whom knows nothing about the subject matter.
END OF DISCUSSION

 

[Dr JIM]

This is why a pharmacopeia is NOT an appropriate reference for HPLC.
Specifically read SAMPLE PREPARATION ON page THREE. Now read out loud what was used and is ROUTINELY used to dissolve the AAS .. . . . . .METHANOL and at WHAT DILUTION . . … . . KEEP READING.

The only thing THIS PHD CHEMIST did NOT mention was the process of Sonication and filtering. (which was mentioned in the first set of samples I've not yet posted).

The net effect, the AAS is dissolved in the methanol and whatever excpients remain DO NOT REACT WITH THE HPLC GRID or do so in a manner not to effect the sample elution characteristics.

He is not a "friend" Reg but a well respected colleague. So we don't go out bowling and have a few beers. Finally he is the CHEIF CHEMIST at a private lab that does several million dollars with of work annually.

You need to find a much better means of substantiating your claims these tests are ANYTIHNG BUT LEGIT if some pharmacopeia is the best you can do.

Incidentally Reg how many HPLCs have you been involved with or personally conducted, thats what i thought!

Why don't YOU HAVE that private lab you mentioned earlier to post their HPLC procedures, good luck, LMAO! And THEY WILL NOT PROVIDE A QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS ON PILLS, CAPSULES OR SOLVENTS. At best they will provide a semi qualitative analysis on urine samples.

Finally I appreciate your honesty but the fact Millard believes "your a liar" speaks volumes IMO!

Lastly I will NOT discuss your posts hereafter unless YOU POST THEM, if that's a problem, speak with Millard.

 

[Colt44]

So in your opinion, if the analysis was conducted under the conditions Regular is suggesting, the results would differ drastically?

 

[Dr JIM]

So in your opinion, if the analysis was conducted under the conditions Regular is suggesting, the results would differ drastically?

I have no idea. But that's not the issue is it? He is saying the procedure my chemist used is in error. And that is his opinion based on "Pharmacopeia evidence". Compared to the RESEARCH conducted on an HPLC using my chemists techniques.

His suggestion is unfounded and absolutely absurd.

 

[weezsti]

i alrady told you guys that dr jim is a fuckin fraud.. your day is coming soon i promise you that.. your not looking out for the community you piss of shit.. i bet you havent spent a day in the gym or even lifted a weight you fuckin dork.. post a pic of your self you puss..

 

[Dr JIM]

I've spent MUCH more time in the gym than you have in a analytical lab, Weezil and just in case you didn't notice, that's what this thread is about Clown!

I can see you never heeded my advice and lowered that dosage of yours did you!

Fine try some Valium, Lithium or obtain a formal psych eval for that bipolar condition of yours fella!

 

[mercury]

i alrady told you guys that dr jim is a fuckin fraud.. your day is coming soon i promise you that.

you cut into conversation and you do not have clue what is going on

them main problem is that we do not have access to reliable lab to test ASS

and the mess is coming from places where they try to do something in good faith but they have no experience in testing.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

i alrady told you guys that dr jim is a fuckin fraud.. your day is coming soon i promise you that.. your not looking out for the community you piss of shit.. i bet you havent spent a day in the gym or even lifted a weight you fuckin dork.. post a pic of your self you puss..

Who the fuck are you? Never heard of you. Regardless, you're derailing this discussion with your threats and several of us would like to see it remain on track because of its importance to Brutus and JB's issue with a scammer. So if you don't mind, take your meds and fuck off. Thanks

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

i alrady told you guys that dr jim is a fuckin fraud.. your day is coming soon i promise you that.. your not looking out for the community you piss of shit.. i bet you havent spent a day in the gym or even lifted a weight you fuckin dork.. post a pic of your self you puss..

 

[mands]

Regardless, you're derailing this discussion with your threats and several of us would like to see it remain on track because of its importance to Brutus and JB's issue with a scammer.

So you have decided to conclude Karius is a scammer? Hmmm interesting and bold statement.

Were you going to answer my question?

mands

 

[brutus79]

I still do not think karius is a scammer... just shoddy qc coupled with piss poor customer service. Typical for illegal enterprise of a public nature ime.

 

[Dr JIM]

I still do not think karius is a scammer... just shoddy qc coupled with piss poor customer service. Typical for illegal enterprise of a public nature ime.

Perhaps but there comes a time when one must conclude those in charge "known or should have known" about the quality of their products.

I've received 3 more samples from the Karius line so folks can decide for themselves.

But I do wonder if any of the "vets" whom have overtly supported Karius in the past will be critical of this lab IF NONE of the compounds to be tested prove GTG, from either a qualitative or quantitative perspective.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So you have decided to conclude Karius is a scammer? Hmmm interesting and bold statement.

Isn't it, though!

Were you going to answer my question?

What was your question?

 

[Kinikuman]

This is a very educational thread. From what the good doctor is telling us, the majority of the AAS that are coming out of UGLs are simply Test labeled as the flavor of the day, be it Tren or whatever. From there things get worse, as there also seem to be those that either intentionally underdose their Test marked as XYZ compound, or simply don't bother to verify the purity and / or concentration of their raw material before passing it on to the customer. Knowing that running an MS is well beyond the means of most end users for every product they buy, I can see how it would be tempting when the only other alternative to measure product quality is blood work, which as Jim alludes to, measures for Test levels. If the customer is looking for high Test levels as proof of quality / authenticity then give them high Test levels. If not for the legal issues involved, this whole UGL scene would make a fascinating business study case on how supply chain management failures, poor or non-existent QC, and unethical marketing practices can all come together to yield extraordinary profits...