Dr Jims Hplc/ms Data

[Dr JIM]

Damn good for you CBS someone found evidence to support hepatotoxicity.

Seen anything on it's anabolic effectiveness at such low doses CBS or it THE DOSE so limited bc of it's toxicity.

Oh incidentally as I mentioned earlier the Karius sample will have a MS conducted. That WILL determine if M-T is present but not it's concentration.

 

[mands]

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/methyltrienolone/

Effective doses of methyltrienolone begin at 25mcg. I think if Karl was selling fake var with methyltrienolone in it, we have a gigantic freaking issue. The question is jim, How can a man of your caliber figure out if that is indeed what we are dealing with? A standard you say, well just head on down to GNC and obtain one right? I actually have some from naps that did a number on my liver enzymes and gave me some of the worst "Tren Sides" I have ever experienced. I was only taking 500 mcg a day. If it did that to me, I could only imagine if my wife took the shit for several weeks thinking it was the almighty Sciroxx var. If this sample was from Karl, that is all the more reason to warn members to stay away from his labs.

It was from Karius. Not karl.

mands

 

[ebkallday]

The HPLC does NOT say the sample contains methyltrienolone; it clearly states TRENBOLONE. If the sample did in fact contain methyltrienolone at the concentration found by the HPLC, that would be a serious finding because of the potential for harm to users.

That said, this back-and-forth is just creating a needless distraction from the real issue - Karius selling bunk Anavar.



Steroids Volume 8, Issue 1, July 1966, Pages 13–24
Liver toxicity of a new anabolic agent: Methyltrienolone (17α-Methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one)
Hans L. Krüskemper, Georg Noell

Abstract
Methyltrienolone (17α-methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one), which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose of less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphatase and cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis. Effective doses lay between 0.1 and 1.0 mg steroid drug per day, thus methyltrienolone at present being the most “hepatotoxic” steroid.

Thanks CBS. At least this a understandable answer. All I wanted to know is if it could have been methyltren. I guess not. A straight forward answer from the almighty would have sufficed rather than insults. No that it is clear it was TREN not Methyltren, lets get back to the testing.

 

[ebkallday]

It was from Karius. Not karl.

mands

Got it.

 

[mands]

The HPLC does NOT say the sample contains methyltrienolone; it clearly states TRENBOLONE. If the sample did in fact contain methyltrienolone at the concentration found by the HPLC, that would be a serious finding because of the potential for harm to users.

That said, this back-and-forth is just creating a needless distraction from the real issue - Karius selling bunk Anavar.



Steroids Volume 8, Issue 1, July 1966, Pages 13–24
Liver toxicity of a new anabolic agent: Methyltrienolone (17α-Methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one)
Hans L. Krüskemper, Georg Noell

Abstract
Methyltrienolone (17α-methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one), which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose of less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphatase and cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis. Effective doses lay between 0.1 and 1.0 mg steroid drug per day, thus methyltrienolone at present being the most “hepatotoxic” steroid.

So CBS!!! Why didn't Jim just state that it was Tren? Because he or the tester doesn't know. It's stated possible Tren E if I read the test correctly.

Please show me where it clearly states TRENBOLONE!!!

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Come on Jim. It was a valid question that turned into a pissing match through condescension.

Is there an answer to the question?

Colt read my answer again, the question WAS answered based on factual info alone!

 

[Dr JIM]

So CBS!!! Why didn't Jim just state that it was Tren? Because he or the tester doesn't know. It's stated possible Tren E if I read the test correctly.

Please show me where it clearly states TRENBOLONE!!!

mands[/QUO

Read the SUMMARY MANDS GOODNESS!

 

[Dr JIM]

So CBS!!! Why didn't Jim just state that it was Tren? Because he or the tester doesn't know. It's stated possible Tren E if I read the test correctly.

Please show me where it clearly states TRENBOLONE!!!

mands

It's amazing how some see only what they want to see and fail to make amends for their accusatory oversights, read the SUMMARY MANDS

 

[mands]

It's amazing how some see only what they want to see and fail to make amends for their oversights, read the SUMMARY MANDS

I did I did! I see it. It still states it APPEARS to be Trenbolone. Just saying.

mands

 

[mands]

Doesn't Tren peak the same whether it's alkalayted or not? Or Peak similar if it's E or A?

And still I don't see how this answers the orginal questions by @ebkallday

mands

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So CBS!!! Why didn't Jim just state that it was Tren? Because he or the tester doesn't know. It's stated possible Tren E if I read the test correctly.

Please show me where it clearly states TRENBOLONE!!!

mands

It states possible tren-E TRACES for the first three samples. JB's sample clearly states TRENBOLONE was found.

 

[mands]

I know I was reading the wrong one at first.

Yes I see it and right below it... It states AS1645-8 APPEARS to be trenbolone and some byproducts such as buffers, salts and/or sugars. This is not definite to me and how about my other question?

To me is seems all those samples have similar peaks. I'm sure they were called Tren E on the samples themselves.

Doesn't Tren peak the same whether it's alkalayted or not? Or Peak similar if it's E or A?

And still I don't see how this answers the orginal questions by @ebkallday

mands

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks CBS. At least this a understandable answer. All I wanted to know is if it could have been methyltren. I guess not. A straight forward answer from the almighty would have sufficed rather than insults. No that it is clear it was TREN not Methyltren, lets get back to the testing.

I gave you the answer believe what you want!

 

[ebkallday]

I gave you the answer believe what you want!

Oh just knock it off already Jim.

 

[Dr JIM]

I know I was reading the wrong one at first.

Yes I see it and right below it... It states AS1645-8 APPEARS to be trenbolone and some byproducts such as buffers, salts and/or sugars. This is not definite to me and how about my other question?

mands

You wanted a definitive answer on that GH to MANDS and chemist work on probabilities if you find one the doesn't, he's feeding you a line of BS.

So the definitive "answer" you want requires a MS which I decided to perform quite a while back.

Why bc I though it unusual so many people came onto Meso earlier as JB critics, being AVID supports of Karius!

 

[mands]

Could you explain the title block in the analysis "Steroid (?)" What does that mean?

You wanted a definitive answer on that GH to MANDS and chemist work on probabilities if you find one the doesn't, he's feeding you a line of BS.

So the definitive "answer" you want requires a MS which I decided to perform quite a while back.

Why bc I though it unusual so many people came onto Meso earlier as JB critics, being AVID supports of Karius!

This is exactly why I am questioning it. Where are the other test clearly stating this is Trenbolone and not Methyl Tren? If I missed them please point to them.

Hey and I'm JB's and Brutus's side on the "K" thing. Labs mess up and send out shitty products. Nobody is beyond reproach.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh just knock it off already Jim.

Well didn't you come "for answers", lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Could you explain the title block in the analysis "Steroid (?)" What does that mean?


This is exactly why I am questioning it. Where are the other test clearly stating this is Trenbolone and not Methyl Tren? If I missed them please point to them.

Hey and I'm JB's and Brutus's side on the "K" thing. Labs mess up and send out shitty products. Nobody is beyond reproach.

mands

There are THREE places where the chemist says it's "Tren" and in the summary he states it's probable Tren!

That's the limit of HPLC when the concentration of the substance being tested is so low as in this case.

These situations arise during WADA sanctioned athletic events and in this case the sample would require a "confirmatory MS analysis" especially if the athlete appealed. (That may NOT be the case if Tren and three of its metabolizes were identified)

There are huge differences bc when "pills or oils" are being analyzed no AAS metabolizes are available for study bc the specimens are not derived from urine!

So in pill or oil based analyses there is only ONE compound to search for BUT the compound which was identified in this instance met absorption characteristics, in THREE different wave lengths, that are classic for TREN.

So I've NO DOUBT "Tren" is present but whether it's only Tren without another conjugate ethyl, ethyl, acetate or Enanthate
form being present, can not be certain.

 

[ebkallday]

Well didn't you come "for answers", lol

I sure did you moron and they have yet to be answered. Mands has pointed it out in his last post. Lol. Its obvious you are not here to help Meso members.

 

[ebkallday]

There are THREE places where the chemist says it's "Tren" and in the summary he states it's probable Tren!

That's the limit of HPLC when the concentration of the substance being tested is so low as in this case.

These situations arise during WADA sanctioned athletic events and in this case the sample would require a "confirmatory MS analysis" especially if the athlete appealed. (That may NOT be the case if Tren and three of its metabolizes were identified)

There are huge differences bc when "pills or oils" are being analyzed no AAS metabolizes are available for study bc the specimens are not derived from urine!

So in pill or oil based analyses there is only ONE compound to search for BUT the compound which was identified in this instance met absorption characteristics, in THREE different wave lengths, that are classic for TREN.

So I've NO DOUBT "Tren" is present but whether it's only Tren without some other conjugate ethyl, ethyl, acetate or Enanthate
form can not be certain.

Wow, so you can answer simple questions. Good job Jimmy, a treat for you, good boy.