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I guess I forgot to mention some details. For what it's worth, all of the codes checked out on the products. That may not be a big deal because it's hard to imagine people counterfeiting an UGL. For all I know is that they made bunk gear and put anti-counterfeiting measures on it. I really doubt this is the case, but what the fuck do I know? I just ordered my pre-cycle blood work and will get to the lab asap. I'm kicking off the 10 week 2 x 250 mg/wk Test E cycle with dbol to kick start for 4 weeks (20/30/40/50 is the plan but I'll just see how I feel on it and tweak as needed). .5 mg adex E3D (will see after mid-cycle bloods if I need to adjust). All of those are the ZHPC product line.

I'll be doing 250iu x 2 a week of hcg for weeks 3 - 10. I'm starting after the 2nd week because I've read about 101 ways to take it and they all seem to be "the best way", so I threw a dart at a board and that's what I hit. PCT is 2 weeks after last pin (Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clom 50/25/25/25) Again, there are so many "best" methods and this one seems like it comes up a lot.

If this isn't the right place to put my planned cycle info, I'm sure it's not the worst thing I've done today. Actually, I'm not really sure of that protocol since I don't plan on a detailed log -- maybe an update on dbol results here and mid-cycle bloods.
 
I guess I forgot to mention some details. For what it's worth, all of the codes checked out on the products. That may not be a big deal because it's hard to imagine people counterfeiting an UGL. For all I know is that they made bunk gear and put anti-counterfeiting measures on it. I really doubt this is the case, but what the fuck do I know? I just ordered my pre-cycle blood work and will get to the lab asap. I'm kicking off the 10 week 2 x 250 mg/wk Test E cycle with dbol to kick start for 4 weeks (20/30/40/50 is the plan but I'll just see how I feel on it and tweak as needed). .5 mg adex E3D (will see after mid-cycle bloods if I need to adjust). All of those are the ZHPC product line.

I'll be doing 250iu x 2 a week of hcg for weeks 3 - 10. I'm starting after the 2nd week because I've read about 101 ways to take it and they all seem to be "the best way", so I threw a dart at a board and that's what I hit. PCT is 2 weeks after last pin (Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clom 50/25/25/25) Again, there are so many "best" methods and this one seems like it comes up a lot.

If this isn't the right place to put my planned cycle info, I'm sure it's not the worst thing I've done today. Actually, I'm not really sure of that protocol since I don't plan on a detailed log -- maybe an update on dbol results here and mid-cycle bloods.
Maybe don't do the hcg so early

Start running it towards the end of ur cycle..no point to shocking the testies back into produce natural testosterone when ur juicing...body just shuts an right back down

Just my opinion..everyone is different
 
Maybe don't do the hcg so early

Start running it towards the end of ur cycle..no point to shocking the testies back into produce natural testosterone when ur juicing...body just shuts an right back down

Just my opinion..everyone is different

Thanks for the input! I've read so many approaches it almost makes my head hurt because many of them are in direct contradiction to each other. Would you please send me the link to this information so I can compare it to the others? I've read the same thing; however, like I mentioned before, I've seen so many approaches. Some have even gone to beginning day 1 to dose ed at smaller doses. Mind boggling...

Thanks again for the input.

Kind regards.
 
Thanks for the input! I've read so many approaches it almost makes my head hurt because many of them are in direct contradiction to each other. Would you please send me the link to this information so I can compare it to the others? I've read the same thing; however, like I mentioned before, I've seen so many approaches. Some have even gone to beginning day 1 to dose ed at smaller doses. Mind boggling...

Thanks again for the input.

Kind regards.
I know what you mean. I Also read somewhere on meso that you can use it during cycle like you said to combat testicular atrophy
 
Thanks for the input! I've read so many approaches it almost makes my head hurt because many of them are in direct contradiction to each other. Would you please send me the link to this information so I can compare it to the others? I've read the same thing; however, like I mentioned before, I've seen so many approaches. Some have even gone to beginning day 1 to dose ed at smaller doses. Mind boggling...

Thanks again for the input.

Kind regards.
Got it from that book anabolic by william llewellyn....never ran hcg
Only personally used Clomid n nova pct....arimidex or letro during cycle...

He covers hcg and says it works by signaling the LH in the body which then turns the testies "on" and gets them producing....he also says the testies will shut down production once the body notices the unnaturally large quantity of test(from juice)

I've read about combating testicular atrophy as well w hcg but from Gregg valentino...
 
Got it from that book anabolic by william llewellyn....never ran hcg
Only personally used Clomid n nova pct....arimidex or letro during cycle...

He covers hcg and says it works by signaling the LH in the body which then turns the testies "on" and gets them producing....he also says the testies will shut down production once the body notices the unnaturally large quantity of test(from juice)

I've read about combating testicular atrophy as well w hcg but from Gregg valentino...

I may look into that book. I don't want to spam his thread talking about my balls, but I've heard that a moderately low dose like 250 x 2 / week will keep them primed up make recovery easier. There probably wouldn't be so many ways if it was 100% provable which was best. I've also heard that I don't need to run it at all, so I'll play it this way and keep my balls nice and shapely for the ladies.
 
Got it from that book anabolic by william llewellyn....never ran hcg
Only personally used Clomid n nova pct....arimidex or letro during cycle...

He covers hcg and says it works by signaling the LH in the body which then turns the testies "on" and gets them producing....he also says the testies will shut down production once the body notices the unnaturally large quantity of test(from juice)

I've read about combating testicular atrophy as well w hcg but from Gregg valentino...
Trt doctors are using hcg for this purpose.

I've been on for 5 yrs straight and using hcg from the onset. My testes are the same size as always. It does work
 
The Zphc EQ is definitely g2g.

I got turned away at the blood bank because my hemoglobin was at 19.3. I run all kinds of shit and EQ is the only compound that skyrockets my hemoglobin. I go every 8 weeks to donate and I only see it reach 19 when I'm on legit EQ .never fails every time
 
Zphc drol and EQ I can vouch for. I have a buddy running their tren and he is saying the same thing .

I don't know why Zphc isn't more popular. They come in these really high quality vials too.
 
Zphc drol and EQ I can vouch for. I have a buddy running their tren and he is saying the same thing .

I don't know why Zphc isn't more popular. They come in these really high quality vials too.

Ha. I thought the same thing about the vials when they arrived. I like how "ZPHC" is beveled on the glass. Looks like they put in too much effort to make a name for themselves to make crappy gear.

I saw a bunch of pics and a short video of their lab and it looked like they've got their shit together.
 
Ha. I thought the same thing about the vials when they arrived. I like how "ZPHC" is beveled on the glass. Looks like they put in too much effort to make a name for themselves to make crappy gear.

I saw a bunch of pics and a short video of their lab and it looked like they've got their shit together.

Can you post a link to that video? I'd like to see it.
 
The Zphc EQ is definitely g2g.

I got turned away at the blood bank because my hemoglobin was at 19.3. I run all kinds of shit and EQ is the only compound that skyrockets my hemoglobin. I go every 8 weeks to donate and I only see it reach 19 when I'm on legit EQ .never fails every time
I give blood every eight weeks too. The nurse told me that if my number gets to 20 I can't give. This last time it was 18. But getting an order from a doctor to give is easy, especially if you're on TRT like me. They actually call it "blood dumping".
 
Soo.....I made a mistake on a previous order and ended up mixing Alpha Ace & ZPHC Ace......it was definitely legit.....soo I ASSUMED it was the ALPHA that had the bite.....now I've completely switched to the ALPHA and I've definitely took a hit on the way I look, feel and perform.......I'm convinced now the ZPHC was doing all the work......

Just my honest opinion....

Also, pinning another week of ZPHC CYP today and getting bloods done this week....

Let's see how this goes
 
Soo.....I made a mistake on a previous order and ended up mixing Alpha Ace & ZPHC Ace......it was definitely legit.....soo I ASSUMED it was the ALPHA that had the bite.....now I've completely switched to the ALPHA and I've definitely took a hit on the way I look, feel and perform.......I'm convinced now the ZPHC was doing all the work......

Just my honest opinion....

Also, pinning another week of ZPHC CYP today and getting bloods done this week....

Let's see how this goes
I'll be following for these bloods. Thanks
 
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