Correct the Tren Androxine has no ester. It's water based. Just pinned it right now and no sting. I gave it the good ole tasted test and it's really good. Taste just like my pellet Tren. Haven't tried the pharma com mix yet. Time to pin pellet Tren now, can't wait for this workout todaySo the tren sus has no ester correct? Basically use for pre workout? Have you tried the mix from pharamacom? I was debating trying that?