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[Ripped]

I'd like more info on how ANY AAS related complications can be "confirmed" as due to "test flu"?

I know it's not really test flu it just gets called that. any idea on what happens Jim maybe a immune response?

 

[Kakarot]

I know it's not really test flu it just gets called that. any idea on what happens Jim maybe a immune response?

I'm sure you've probably answered this several times before @Dr JIM but I'm interested in this as well if you could spare a little time with an explanation of "test flu" or a point in the right direction?...please Mostly curious because I tend to have a "testflu"/weird immune system response or whatever you wish to call it whenever I switch from ugl test back to trt script test cyp.

 

[Jeffg353]

"Test Flu” varies from individual to individual based on their immune system. It’s the intercorelation between your immune system and your endocrine. If you overload one then the other responds unfavorably. It’s your body’s auto immune response to the foreign substance that has entered your body and caused and influx of hormones. Your body sees the large increase as foreign and tries to get rid of it. Triggering an inflammatory response and raising you metabolism. Once your body builds its resistance to it, the symptoms relieve or even resolve. This usually takes a week or so. Generally, the “Test Flu” is far more common with the short ester preparations like propionate.

A good rule of thumb is the shorter the carboxylic acid chain, then the greater degree of possible tissue irritation that can trigger the auto immune response. The reason being is these esters are acids, so they cause a localized reaction that the body reacts in a common defensive fashion and thus creating the “Test Flu”

Another theory is the solvents used in brewing. The BA or BB is believed to cause the same reaction in the body.

Also some believe that it's related to the estrogen increase from the testosterone aromatizing

 

[Dr JIM]

1) I'm sure you've probably answered this several times before @Dr JIM

2) I'm interested in this as well if you could spare a little time with an explanation of "test flu" or a point in the right direction?..

3) I switch from ugl test back to trt script test cyp.

1) you have no idea lol!

2) briefly "test flu" was a bro-science extrapolation of what was only mentioned in passing
by a couple Pharm companies
as "flu like symptoms" some TRT
patients may experience.

Well bro-science enters the picture and often uses "test flu"
far darn near ANY AAS related complaint they either don't understand or fail to investigate
from an evidence based perspective.

3) IDK but if your "TRT" is Pharm the difference in quality bt it and UGL products may help explain your symptoms. just as the higher TT dosage or the likelyhood other AAS or PEDS are primary contributors when cycling.

 

[Kakarot]

1) you have no idea lol!

2) briefly "test flu" was a bro-science extrapolation of what was only mentioned in passing
by a couple Pharm companies
as "flu like symptoms" some TRT
patients may experience.

Well bro-science enters the picture and often uses "test flu"
far darn near ANY AAS related complaint they either don't understand or fail to investigate
from an evidence based perspective.

3) IDK but if your "TRT" is Pharm the difference in quality bt it and UGL products may help explain your symptoms. just as the higher TT dosage or the likelyhood other AAS or PEDS are primary contributors when cycling.

Thank you. I've considered the different carrier oils or solvents in the the pharmacy test cyp could have something to do with it. Yeah my test cyp is legit Dr prescribed. Only lasts a day or two if Ive been substituting my script for ugl for a few months.

 

[Dr JIM]

Let me add having followed quite a fewfolk on TRT and/or AAS I've yet to see someone with constitutional features that would remotely qualify a "flu like symptoms".

So based upon what.Ive read on PED forums "test flu" must either a very common condition that has effectively hidden from Jim, OR it's a very rare TT (or AAS) adverse effect

 

[Dr JIM]

1) "Test Flu” varies from individual to individual based on their immune system. It’s the intercorelation between your immune system and your endocrine. If you overload one then the other responds unfavorably. It’s your body’s auto immune response to the foreign substance that has entered your body and caused and influx of hormones.

2) Your body sees the large increase as foreign and tries to get rid of it. Triggering an inflammatory response and raising you metabolism. Once your body builds its resistance to it, the symptoms relieve or even resolve. This usually takes a week or so.

3) Generally, the “Test Flu” is far more common with the short ester preparations like propionate.

A good rule of thumb is the shorter the carboxylic acid chain, then the greater degree of possible tissue irritation that can trigger the auto immune response. The reason being is these esters are acids, so they cause a localized reaction that the body reacts in a common defensive fashion and thus creating the “Test Flu”

4) Another theory is the solvents used in brewing. The BA or BB is believed to cause the same reaction in the body.

Also some believe that it's related to the estrogen increase from the testosterone aromatizing

1) I'd like to review any scientific evidence the use of TT results in a so called "immune or worse yet
an auto-immune response".

2) bc parrnteral AAS are NOT amide, as in protein, based chemical compounds they are relatively INERT once injected the "inflammatory response" would be an local phenomenon.

Inflammation of this nature occurs with almost any injection and is manifested as PIP!

3) For starters it's important to know and understand how a substances Pka differentiates weak from strong acids and their ability to hydrolyse at a physiologic PH of 7.4.

And the PKa differences bt the long and short chain ester used ol for AAS are negligible

4) the use of high BA concentrations is the most likely explaination for PIP, in experienced AAS runners, bc unlike AAS esters BA is readily soluble in WATER and as a result hydrolyses forming a weak acid/base complex which may then interact with cellular components.


No offense @Jeffg353 but your explainations on "test flu" are classic PED forum bro-science extrapolations for a nonexistent
medical entity or condition; "test flu".

Jim

 

[Jeffg353]

1) I'd like to review any scientific evidence the use of TT results in a so called "immune or worse yet
an auto-immune response".

2) bc parrnteral AAS are NOT amide, as in protein, based chemical compounds they are relatively INERT once injected the "inflammatory response" would be an local phenomenon.

Inflammation of this nature occurs with almost any injection and is manifested as PIP!

3) For starters it's important to know and understand how a substances Pka differentiates weak from strong acids and their ability to hydrolyse at a physiologic PH of 7.4.

And the PKa differences bt the long and short chain ester used ol for AAS are negligible

4) the use of high BA concentrations is the most likely explaination for PIP, in experienced AAS runners, bc unlike AAS esters BA is readily soluble in WATER and as a result hydrolyses forming a weak acid/base complex which may then interact with cellular components.


No offense @Jeffg353 but your explainations on "test flu" are classic PED forum bro-science extrapolations for a nonexistent
medical entity or condition; "test flu".

Jim

The were only theories of what some people believe causes this condition. I made no claim to anything being scientific fact or as a known medical ailment.

 

[Dr JIM]

The were only theories of what some people believe causes this condition. I made no claim to anything being scientific fact or as a known medical ailment.

That's nice to know after the fact, but your post, especially the earlier portions on "immune/endocrine interactions" do not read as being purely "speculative".

 

[Jeffg353]

That's nice to know after the fact, but your post, especially the earlier portions on "immune/endocrine interactions" do not read as being purely "speculative".

When I said "another theory" it implied that what preceded it was a theory as well. I concede that I should've made that clearer. Anyway, I'm not here to make enemies by having some trivial argument. I don't know you but do know you are a highly respected member here and do not want to get on your bad side. I realize I'm new here but I know better than to step to the plate without some proof to back it up.

 

[jbil75]

I know it's not really test flu it just gets called that. any idea on what happens Jim maybe a immune response?

So is Jim a dr or not? Someone on here posted that he wasn't a dr (just called himself one) but Jim has responded to my posts before mentioning his patients. So is he in fact a dr or not? Just curious, that's all.

 

[Ripped]

So is Jim a dr or not? Someone on here posted that he wasn't a dr (just called himself one) but Jim has responded to my posts before mentioning his patients. So is he in fact a dr or not? Just curious, that's all.

Yes I believe so if not now I'm sure he was at one time.

 

[Dr JIM]

NBD
But just understand bc there's A LOT of VERY INEXPERIENCED noobs on Meso who believe anything in print is syanmyous
with scientific evidence, don't be surprised if your statements are parroted in short order here or elsewhere as "proof" of an immune etiology for "test flu".

To that end much like Doc Scally, Millard and Bill Roberts I'm here primarily to put a little science into "bro-science".

 

[Wunderpus]

So is Jim a dr or not? Someone on here posted that he wasn't a dr (just called himself one) but Jim has responded to my posts before mentioning his patients. So is he in fact a dr or not? Just curious, that's all.

Yes, Jim is a doctor. Actually, he was the first doctor to successfully transplant a brain into a penis.

I was that patient. I'm very happy with the results. Some people say we went too far, and he's largely been shunned from the medical community. But, he is very much a doctor.

 

[jbil75]

Yes, Jim is a doctor. Actually, he was the first doctor to successfully transplant a brain into a penis.

I was that patient. I'm very happy with the results. Some people say we went too far, and he's largely been shunned from the medical community. But, he is very much a doctor.

Well that's good to know and I'm
very happy your procedure was a success.

The old saying of thinking with your little head instead of your big one no longer applies to you. No more excuses.

 

[anfee]

Yes, Jim is a doctor. Actually, he was the first doctor to successfully transplant a brain into a penis.

I was that patient. I'm very happy with the results. Some people say we went too far, and he's largely been shunned from the medical community. But, he is very much a doctor.

That's funny

 

[Dr JIM]

Yes, Jim is a doctor. Actually, he was the first doctor to successfully transplant a brain into a penis.

I was that patient. I'm very happy with the results. Some people say we went too far, and he's largely been shunned from the medical community. But, he is very much a doctor.

Yea an imagine I even have a thriving "penile transplant" practice.

Why in fact first order of business for said patients to understand the distinction bt their BRAIN and their PENIS, bc for some that difference is subtle, VERY subtle.

Now imagine if you will, the latter cycling AAS!

 

[Dr JIM]

Yes I believe so if not now I'm sure he was at one time.

Once a physician always a physician is the applicable adage IME.

While a state board may revoke a docs license to practice medicine, the "Medical Doctor" degree is theirs for lifetime and can NOT be revoked, unless said degree was obtained fraudulently.

As far as "Dr Jim" is concerned, that profile has not changed since joining Meso several years ago.

 

[Evom1]

Anyone have experience with the Upjohn brand cabaser / dostinex?

 

[Beano223]

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