Clamslaps
Member
Haha naw just feel like I'm playing chess with a pigeon. Couldn't be tight with anybody who would accuse me of playing the banjo professionally.
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MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Dynamite Raws (International & US Domestic)
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MyNameIsSteve
New Member
Ordered test e a few weeks ago. I read a lot on brewing during the shut down so I gave it a shot. 3 shots in and no real pain besides what I would expect to feel after 1" needle in the butt. I was worried about what I read and saw about test c crashing but also people said test e has painful injections but I don't think I've got pip.
First week in and up 8lbs. Also read a ton plus hours of YouTube on dieting and lifting so really having fun with it.
Thanks Dyna
First week in and up 8lbs. Also read a ton plus hours of YouTube on dieting and lifting so really having fun with it.
Thanks Dyna
Red_subbottom
Member
Deca and NPP can be told apart from the looks most of the time because Deca is so sensitive to heat. It has usually melted at some point during the shipping process. Leaving it to look waxy and soft. Kind of like methenolone enanthate. Primo E is one of the few powders that can be judged on sight if it has a high probability of being Primo E. Not judging purity. Also, not saying that the NPP can't be a different powder. Just saying that Deca and NPP have very distinctive differences if Deca has been transported.
Anyone have any experience with crashed E2? I added some Epistane to my cycle of Cyp\EQ\Tren. I'd been using caber and nolvadex to handle estrogen and prolactin and it had been working well. But for some reason, I decided to switch from Ndex to Aromasin.
Felt extreme lethargy, like can't stay awake all day, gains stopped and yeah... sex drive and performance dropped off the charts.
Switched off the aromasin a few days ago, but I'm wondering how long it'll take to recover.
Any advice or info would be appreciated?
Felt extreme lethargy, like can't stay awake all day, gains stopped and yeah... sex drive and performance dropped off the charts.
Switched off the aromasin a few days ago, but I'm wondering how long it'll take to recover.
Any advice or info would be appreciated?
muscletrain
Member
Get bloods done and the best thing sfor fixing crashed e2 imo are Test Suspension or Dbol.
I prefer Test Susp Aqeous and keep 1-2 bottles around for that or just PWO.
Thanks for the tip, I'd heard a little about Dbol. I'll swap out my EPI for a little Dbol. Any idea on how long this is going to stay low?
muscletrain
Member
Not sure on dbol but Test Susp is damn fast at fixing low e2 compared to letting it recover normally, dbol should work as well but I only ever use test susp. Someone else will have to chime in but I would say a couple days max u should be fine if u utilize one of the two.
Sounds reasonable. A friend sent me this study just a minute ago, figured I'd upload it. They crashed a bunch of guys E2 with EXE and monitored it as they went off EXE. Doesn't answer the question about Dbol and Test Suspension, but it's got a good recovery curve. See figure three. Looks like 3-6 days without either.
Correctionnn
Member
Not enough info here. What are your dosages and blood markers at? EQ acts an an AI. Nolva is also not a good AI it's not 1980 lol. It blocks the E2 at the receptors doesn't actually lower E2. Secondly caber is an extremely powerful dopamine antagonist to just take off FeELz.
A raws thread might not be the best place to ask these rookie questions.
Sigh....
@Correctionnn I didn't ask you to diagnose my crashed E2. My bloodwork already did that. Yes doctor correction, my bloodwork did come back low, no I don't need your vaunted opinion on that. I didn't ask you to critique my cycle or diagnose my crashed E2 that's why I didn't give you dosages.
I asked the forum if anyone had experience with crashing E2, recovery times, and any tips on dealing with it. Something my endocrinologist couldn't answer. Just read a couple posts and you'll find I even posted a study showing typical recovery times from crashed E2.
Seriously...
Did you really just call me a rookie and nolvadex an AI in the same post? Nolvadex isn't an AI it's a SERM. It doesn't destroy the enzyme like EXE, or bind it like ADEX, it bonds to the estrogen receptor. Which is why you will absolutely still have massively elevated E2 levels in your body when your on the AA cocktail listed above and a SERM like Tam. Those E2 levels in conjunction with something like Tren, will absolutely increase prolactin levels which is why I included a dopamine agonist like Caber. Yes it also worked, and yes using caber to deal with elevated prolactin shouldn't be earth shattering to such an "experienced" user like yourself.
What you don't seem to realize is EQ isn't an AI, despite some claims about its metabolites having AI properties, you should do your research before you post shit like that. Or here, I'll do it for you. You don't have to look far, more plates more dates has an awesome video about that. .
Epistane on the other hand absolutely has antiestrogenic properites, and due to my new anecdotal expierience... they seem to that seem to be alot stronger then I thought. Seems like when you combine it with something like EXE you can crash your E2, which is why I posted about it, here. Because our man Dyna is one of the few places where you can get EPI, and we've been posting about it's results the past couple weeks.
go back, read the thread do your research before you sound like a bigger asshole.
Correctionnn
Member
While there are no scientific studies it's well known EQ frequently and commonly lowers E2. You're taking EPI a DHT derivative also masking your E2 sides along with your SERM, good catch its not an AI yet your E2 is "Crashed" despite giving us an actual blood marker number so you either didn't get bloods and fishing for an answer or playing musical chairs with your estro...Dbol is your ticket to elevating your e2 quickly.
If your e2 is crashed however I have a hard time believing your prolactin is high.
Oldschool
Member
Take more dbol bitch! Lol
Funny. I just went and searched again after I saw this bro science bullshit being posted again about Boldonone lowering estrogen levels and have found no proof of this. For once I would like to see someone post an actual scientific study proving this instead of YouTube videos from know nothing dipshits. Also no magazine articles allowed either unless they are an established and recognized scientistific or medical publication
Correctionnn
Member
Shit, a majority of the studies of pharma drugs we take are 20+ years old. Bold isn’t a pharmaceutical so we’ll never get one. Hell most doctors don’t have a grasp of test cyp’s half life
Boldenone has plenty of studies on it and tested on animals just like multitudes of human grade drugs are and have been. I’ve never seen one speaking of lowering estrogen. I would actually be happy to apologize if you can find one. It’s always nice to have more tools to fight side effects from aas. But for now it can’t be relied on if there are no controlled tests showing it to be accurate.
God... I never fight on forums. Maybe Oldschool is right and I just need to take some dbol, wait for the bleeding to stop and come out of my period hut in 3 to 6 days. Maybe this is how my girl feels every four weeks.
But I just can't help myself.
Seriously correction, this can't be that hard to follow...
I'll make it easy.
My E2 was not crashed on the Tam EPI combo. My E2 was very high on the Tam EPI combo, as was my prolactin. That was why I took Caber. I can't tell you how normal this is.
My E2 did crash on the EXE EPI combo. You're probably right, my prolactin is probably low now, along with my crashed E2, but no my bloods did not include it for what are fairly obvious reasons.
I probably could go off caber for the duration of my E2 crash....
if only I had any clue how long that was going to be...
It's almost as if the whole point of this set of posts was to try to figure that out... maybe by seeing if some of the guys here who really know their shit, like Iron Vet or Bootybeavereloaded would chime in with an obscure bit of info, like how long an E2 crash lasts...
As opposed to provide you with my bloods so you could diagnose me as below the normal range of an adult male, because for some reason my endocrinologist didn't already do that, and google was broke that day. Hell, after you diagnose me maybe you could critique my cycle, maybe you'd recommend I take less EQ because when your bro is blasting it he doesn't need as much Adex.
But what I'm sure of is you're diagnosis of my bloods, dosages, diet, program and everything else would be:
"Do you even lift bro?"
But I just can't help myself.
Seriously correction, this can't be that hard to follow...
I'll make it easy.
My E2 was not crashed on the Tam EPI combo. My E2 was very high on the Tam EPI combo, as was my prolactin. That was why I took Caber. I can't tell you how normal this is.
My E2 did crash on the EXE EPI combo. You're probably right, my prolactin is probably low now, along with my crashed E2, but no my bloods did not include it for what are fairly obvious reasons.
I probably could go off caber for the duration of my E2 crash....
if only I had any clue how long that was going to be...
It's almost as if the whole point of this set of posts was to try to figure that out... maybe by seeing if some of the guys here who really know their shit, like Iron Vet or Bootybeavereloaded would chime in with an obscure bit of info, like how long an E2 crash lasts...
As opposed to provide you with my bloods so you could diagnose me as below the normal range of an adult male, because for some reason my endocrinologist didn't already do that, and google was broke that day. Hell, after you diagnose me maybe you could critique my cycle, maybe you'd recommend I take less EQ because when your bro is blasting it he doesn't need as much Adex.
But what I'm sure of is you're diagnosis of my bloods, dosages, diet, program and everything else would be:
"Do you even lift bro?"
MisterSuperGod
Well-known Member
What about this thread attracts all these hooligans and their woe is me, please tell me how to fix myself posts?
Start a fucking thread. No wonder noobs come here, refuse to read the thread, then proceed to ask for a spoon feeding.
Start a fucking thread. No wonder noobs come here, refuse to read the thread, then proceed to ask for a spoon feeding.
Correctionnn
Member
Not going to argue and clog up the thread but you’re clearly smart enough to learn from your mistakes of using a serm instead of an ai.
You likely also would be doing yourself a favor and stop wasting money with your endo and ordering your own sensitive E2 and prolactin tests and getting your levels dialed in.
Red_subbottom
Member
EQ can be very harsh on your kidneys if your genetically predisposed. With all that blood work surprised not to hear a renal function test.
Conclusions: The results of this study indicate that high protein intake, steroid usage, particularly the schemes, including boldenone undecylenate increases cortical echogenicity, thickness of renal parenchyma and renal volume in bodybuilders.
Evaluation of anabolic steroid induced renal damage with sonography in bodybuilders - PubMed
Bootybeaver Reloaded
New Member
I certainly havnt experienced Boldenone keeping my e down at all. On 250 of test a week And 600 eq i still Need an ai
Like ^^^this. (Except for the part where y’all are forcing him to take a leave of absence due to elementary bullshit). Don’t be a Whiny fuck and make issues without giving someone a chance to fix it first. Fucking weak as fuck.... mistakes happen people are human. You can’t accuse shenanigans without going through the proper steps. It just makes you look like a cry baby, lame, tool queef. You gonna read an entire thread of positive dealings and think your the only one that gets fucked on purpose AND the only person who won’t get the issue fixed? Don’t think there is a single event of a mistake that wasn’t made right at some point in this entire fucking thread. Great job dip shit you just cry babied your way into accusing the best option on here of nothing. Fucking dumbass. Retarded shmegma dick cheese smelling finger nail having maxi pad pion. Change your tampon and have your girl take over, she looks like she has it more together than you.... no way she can be as lame and stupid..... which begs the question, why is she with your whiny crybaby ass? good god man. This thread is akin to USPS at this point...... I think someone called them a dumpster Fire earlier, that’s what this thread seems like to me right now. Just trash material getting thrown about. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE TRYING TO RESTORE REASON TO RETARDS, but a wise man once told me
“arguing with stupid is a loosing battle”
I think we ought to just let em tire themselves out...... Feel bad for dyna....
