E2 and AI HELP!!!

[1Megaman]

If your paying this coach, why not trust him and do what he says? E2 in the 20’s seems low to me but that’s just me. I like my e2 in the low 50’s.

 

[Rido]

If your paying this coach, why not trust him and do what he says? E2 in the 20’s seems low to me but that’s just me. I like my e2 in the low 50’s.

agreed.

12.5mg of aromasin twice a week doesnt seem bad. but to each their own. Some people run up to 150s of e2 and dont experience anything.

@acetate jake
Honestly OP, Higher test fucked with my Libido. my libido is its best at my test within upper normal.

Are you on any meds?

your e2 seems like it is in a solid range, but you are having e2 sides. I dont think you should fuck with it. you could also do PT141 once a weekend.

Is your dick broken or do you not want sex because there is a difference.

 

[Type-IIx]

E2 has nothing to with bloat it’s all about aldosterone. Up your water intake. @Type-IIx will confirm E2 minimally effects water retention or edema. That rumour has been spread around for years. I think sitting around 30 is a good E2 level. There’s so many factors that play into libido and ED. High blood pressure being one of them, high hematocrit, mental health, etc.

I won't confirm this.

E2 has a profound influence on whole-body water & sodium regulation, involving effects on the CNS (osmolality and thirst regulation) and by acting on the RAAS (most likely by acting on aldosterone).

 

[Titan18]

agreed.

12.5mg of aromasin twice a week doesnt seem bad. but to each their own. Some people run up to 150s of e2 and dont experience anything.

@acetate jake
Honestly OP, Higher test fucked with my Libido. my libido is its best at my test within upper normal.

Are you on any meds?

your e2 seems like it is in a solid range, but you are having e2 sides. I dont think you should fuck with it. you could also do PT141 once a weekend.

Is your dick broken or do you not want sex because there is a difference.

If you don't mind me asking, at what dosage of Test did you start having negative effects on libido?

 

[Rido]

If you don't mind me asking, at what dosage of Test did you start having negative effects on libido?

It's hard to get a good gauge. My libido went to shit with primo. I was eventually at 600 test and 600 mast. It came back but when my test started coming down then my libido picked up quiet a bit.

 

[Titan18]

It's hard to get a good gauge. My libido went to shit with primo. I was eventually at 600 test and 600 mast. It came back but when my test started coming down then my libido picked up quiet a bit.

Gotcha. Just curious because I'm running test only, 500mg a week. It's my first cycle but I really expected more of boost to libido. It's not bad, just no different at all.

 

[Rido]

Gotcha. Just curious because I'm running test only, 500mg a week. It's my first cycle but I really expected more of boost to libido. It's not bad, just no different at all.

I have a friend where it went through the roof on 400. We are all different though

 

[RunTrenFcukTens]

I won't confirm this.

E2 has a profound influence on whole-body water & sodium regulation, involving effects on the CNS (osmolality and thirst regulation) and by acting on the RAAS (most likely by acting on aldosterone).

So which is more primarily responsible for water retention estrogen or aldosterone.

 

[acetate jake]

agreed.

12.5mg of aromasin twice a week doesnt seem bad. but to each their own. Some people run up to 150s of e2 and dont experience anything.

@acetate jake
Honestly OP, Higher test fucked with my Libido. my libido is its best at my test within upper normal.

Are you on any meds?

your e2 seems like it is in a solid range, but you are having e2 sides. I dont think you should fuck with it. you could also do PT141 once a weekend.

Is your dick broken or do you not want sex because there is a difference.

libido is meh and I can get boners when I concentrate (I do use cialis and sometimes viagra). Only medication i'm on is Telmisartan 40mg.

Tren was fucking with my head and giving me anxiety which fucked with my libido/erections. Possibly fucking with my e2 feels as well so I dropped it.

I doubled my test to 300mg/week and started feeling better. Got bloods and coach said my e2 was too high. My libido felt better, erections kinda soft but with cialis im good, facial/body bloat, high bp, spicy/tender nips.

I only took 6.25mg aromasin so far this week. Might take another 6.25mg tomorrow.

 

[Rido]

libido is meh and I can get boners when I concentrate (I do use cialis and sometimes viagra). Only medication i'm on is Telmisartan 40mg.

Tren was fucking with my head and giving me anxiety which fucked with my libido/erections. Possibly fucking with my e2 feels as well so I dropped it.

I doubled my test to 300mg/week and started feeling better. Got bloods and coach said my e2 was too high. My libido felt better, erections kinda soft but with cialis im good, facial/body bloat, high bp, spicy/tender nips.

I only took 6.25mg aromasin so far this week. Might take another 6.25mg tomorrow.

I don't know if 6.25 will do jack shit. Why are you paying him? I know why I would never get an steroid coach because I'm too argumentative in that sense. Do you think your dick just broke because of anxiety?

 

[Type-IIx]

So which is more primarily responsible for water retention estrogen or aldosterone.

Well, estrogens potently influence aldosterone. I'd say that the influence of aromatizing androgen (via estrogens) on fluid retention is principally due to their aromatic products (the estrogens produced by aromatization).

 

[acetate jake]

I don't know if 6.25 will do jack shit. Why are you paying him? I know why I would never get an steroid coach because I'm too argumentative in that sense. Do you think your dick just broke because of anxiety?

I've only been using him for about a month because he seems like he knows a lot about gear but him suggesting e2 in the 20s with 300cyp didn't sound right to me.
What would u do in my situation with my e2 readings and sides?

I took another 6.25mg right now plus the 6.25mg I took yesterday.
Going to spend the weekend with my girl so I might dose 50mg proviron everyday.

 

[Rido]

I've only been using him for about a month because he seems like he knows a lot about gear but him suggesting e2 in the 20s with 300cyp didn't sound right to me.
What would u do in my situation with my e2 readings and sides?

I took another 6.25mg right now plus the 6.25mg I took yesterday.
Going to spend the weekend with my girl so I might dose 50mg proviron everyday.

If I was in your situation I would get pt141 delivered to my house as a oh shit injection. Don't use it too much. It is not advised to use it too frequently.

Also would probably get some HCG too

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Got bloods back from WEEK 2 @ 300 test cyp and 25mg proviron (some days)

RESULTS

Total Test 1831 ng/dl (ref range 250-1100)

Free Test 607.6 pg/dl. (ref range 35.0-155.0)

Estradiol 68 pg/ml (ref range < or =29 but this is for nattys so idk)

Prolactin 9.8 ng/ml (ref range 2.0 - 18.0)


Back Story

I tried Tren Ace for a couple weeks and stopped bc anxiety/low libido/ED

After dropping Tren, Coach said up test to 300 for better libido

Libido is feeling better on NO AI but I have bloating, puffy face, spicy nips, high blood pressure.

Coach said to pop 25mg aromasin right now this week and 12.5mg next week and so on. He says E2 in the 20s pg/ml is ideal on cycle.

I'm worried this will tank my libido as my main purpose of NO AI was to improve sex drive which is feeling better.

Tren can show as estrogen in tests. How long ago was your last injection?

I wouldn't take any AI at all, but that's just me. Tanked estrogen is the absolute worst, for everything...joints, libido, mental health. I'm finding this out the hard way in my old age.

 

[acetate jake]

Tren can show as estrogen in tests. How long ago was your last injection?

I wouldn't take any AI at all, but that's just me. Tanked estrogen is the absolute worst, for everything...joints, libido, mental health. I'm finding this out the hard way in my old age.

This was an Ultrasensitive Estradiol LC/MS/MS test so Tren will not show up as estrogen.

Good catch though!

Besides, this is a few weeks after my last Tren Acetate dose.

I'm experiencing High E2 sides with bloat and spicy nipples so I'm dosing light amounts of AI and upping my proviron to 50mg for the weekend.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

This was an Ultrasensitive Estradiol LC/MS/MS test so Tren will not show up as estrogen.

Besides, this is a few weeks after my last Tren Acetate dose.

I'm experiencing High E2 sides with bloat and spicy nipples so I'm dosing light amounts of AI and upping my proviron to 50mg for the weekend.

Oh ok

 

[TrenTrenTren]

My own anecdotal experience is that a slightly elevated estrogen level is great for joints and strength. And your boner. I used to pop adex just because I thought I should. I wanted to get my estrogen so low. Then I wondered why I felt like shit and my dick wouldn't get hard enough. E2 is a tricky beast.

 

[acetate jake]

My own anecdotal experience is that a slightly elevated estrogen level is great for joints and strength. And your boner. I used to pop adex just because I thought I should. I wanted to get my estrogen so low. Then I wondered why I felt like shit and my dick wouldn't get hard enough. E2 is a tricky beast.

Yea I definitely want to keep it as high as possible without sides for the good feels and libido

 

[Type-IIx]

My own anecdotal experience is that a slightly elevated estrogen level is great for joints and strength. And your boner. I used to pop adex just because I thought I should. I wanted to get my estrogen so low. Then I wondered why I felt like shit and my dick wouldn't get hard enough. E2 is a tricky beast.

I agree with all of this. E2 is a tricky beast (it has so many effects in different tissues, some positive some negative). Estradiol does have benefits in bone & muscle function (strength, mass). And it is important for male sexual function. Optimal sexual function and E2 concentrations are definitely not something well understood. It's clear that E2 is vital for male sexual functioning inside gonadal tissues. Here, sexual function should not be harmed by AI use as testicular production of a basal ~15% of E2 produced by Leydig cells (rather than by aromatase) should maintain sufficient intracellular concentrations in gonadal tissue.

Of course, E2 also acts on brain centers involved in male sexual behavior.

It's a tricky matter to define precisely for each individual, but again, there's definitely a theoretical UPPER as well as lower limit for systemic E2 concentrations for men in terms of optimal bone metabolism, muscle function, sexual function, etc.

AIs aren't something to be scared of IMO (I don't think YOU are, but MANY are).

 

[EJ1739]

libido is meh and I can get boners when I concentrate (I do use cialis and sometimes viagra). Only medication i'm on is Telmisartan 40mg.

Tren was fucking with my head and giving me anxiety which fucked with my libido/erections. Possibly fucking with my e2 feels as well so I dropped it.

I doubled my test to 300mg/week and started feeling better. Got bloods and coach said my e2 was too high. My libido felt better, erections kinda soft but with cialis im good, facial/body bloat, high bp, spicy/tender nips.

I only took 6.25mg aromasin so far this week. Might take another 6.25mg tomorrow.

That's strange as I could be having a full on panic attack and still be horny on Tren. I've actually stopped using Tren because I get so horny I cannot focus on my work. My sex drive becomes my life.