Early 40's and TRT did nothing for me...

[TenPin]

With all due respect this TRT is a thing of the past , twice a week minimum injections if not more is the norm now and best route used for trt . 125mgs to 200 mgs wk tops per individual needs .

I’d be surprised if there were many legitimate endocrinologists prescribing twice a week at those levels but bow to your knowledge of the matter

For clarification I totally agree more frequent smaller dose injections are the way to go but I think most endos would steer down the gel route if a patient was banging the “more frequent doses” drum before they would go with twice a week injections.

Again 200mg of test a week - hell of a trt dose - I would have thought that would push most people’s bloods off the normal range chart or at least towards the very top of the “normal range” whereas as endo will be probably be looking for something around or below midpoint.

My experience ( and those that I know personally) is that a endo won’t even consider treatment unless your below 8nmol/L / 300ng/dl level and will look to elevate to somewhere between 15-20 nmol/L / 450-550 ng/dl at most, as they would consider that to be well within the normal range.

That type of elevation for most people (ie a elevation of around 10 nmol/L) would be achieved with 60-90 mg per week although you could could have the odd outlier who needs more.

125-200 of test per week seems like it would push most people well beyond therapeutic levels.

It would be interesting to know if there are many in the forum taking 200mg per week regularly with bloods below 26nmol / 750ng/dl which is in effect healthy male fourth quartile

 

[Vipera1]

I’d be surprised if there were many legitimate endocrinologists prescribing twice a week at those levels but bow to your knowledge of the matter

For clarification I totally agree more frequent smaller dose injections are the way to go but I think most endos would steer down the gel route if a patient was banging the “more frequent doses” drum before they would go with twice a week injections.

Again 200mg of test a week - hell of a trt dose - I would have thought that would push most people’s bloods off the normal range chart or at least towards the very top of the “normal range” whereas as endo will be probably be looking for something around or below midpoint.

My experience ( and those that I know personally) is that a endo won’t even consider treatment unless your below 8nmol/L / 300ng/dl level and will look to elevate to somewhere between 15-20 nmol/L / 450-550 ng/dl at most, as they would consider that to be well within the normal range.

That type of elevation for most people (ie a elevation of around 10 nmol/L) would be achieved with 60-90 mg per week although you could could have the odd outlier who needs more.

125-200 of test per week seems like it would push most people well beyond therapeutic levels.

It would be interesting to know if there are many in the forum taking 200mg per week regularly with bloods below 26nmol / 750ng/dl which is in effect healthy male fourth quartile

I used to be on test e 35mg EOD and my levels were near the top. There is really no need to push it to 200mg per week. If you do have to take this high dose just to have normal levels then there is something else wrong with your body that needs to be fixed.

 

[LilCountry]

I used to be on test e 35mg EOD and my levels were near the top. There is really no need to push it to 200mg per week. If you do have to take this high dose just to have normal levels then there is something else wrong with your body that needs to be fixed.

I tend to agree with you but know that everyone is different. SHBG comes into play when prescribing a trt dose. Therefore it is very important to get the correct blood test performed.

Also, it’s important to have your thyroid checked before ever considering trt, as the symptoms can be the same.

Just my $.02.

 

[Vipera1]

I tend to agree with you but know that everyone is different. SHBG comes into play when prescribing a trt dose. Therefore it is very important to get the correct blood test performed.

Also, it’s important to have your thyroid checked before ever considering trt, as the symptoms can be the same.

Just my $.02.

Exactly, already mentioned this! You are correct.

 

[phenominal34]

I agree with the post above , I was just stating that doses can go up to 200 mgs week but also as low as 125

60mgs is gonna pretty much do nothing for ya in terms of trt , it will actually still shut you down and prob drop your levels even more from what I’ve researched .

In my opinion only , I want to be 850-1000 total test with high free test as well 30-40 maybe ... highest optimal levels without overdoing it , why would one want to be mid range 600-700 ?

 

[Millard]

I started TRT about 11 weeks ago. I started with 400 test blend. I used it only once a week for the first 4 or 5 weeks, not knowing that was wrong. The last 4 weeks (I was on for 8 weeks) I pinned every 3rd day. I never used more than 300 a week, usually 150mg twice a week or every 3 days.

Why do you call this "TRT"?

 

[LilCountry]

Exactly, already mentioned this! You are correct.

Yeah, I was just reiterating to the OP the importance of bloods as most all of us have.

 

[T-Bagger]

Why do you call this "TRT"?

Lol, because he’s replacing his natural test and then some.

 

[Tinytim]

I'm doubting the 17%. That number at 295 he'd be pretty jacked

He has 3 inches and a hundred pounds on me, so i wont rattle his cage about self administered UGL TRT. And its perceived failure. Cant say"eat more" i think he hss thst one down. Maybe. "Read More."

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I don't think we are debating TRT protocols more so than the fact that what the OP was claiming is TRT is more like a cycle. Yes the protocols have changed especially here in the US but I'm guessing he isn't in the US based on the fact that he is using Sustanon which To my knowledge isn't available here

That’s not the debate either.

The only point is that OP’s gear is bunk, else he should have felt the strength increase and largely seen the visual difference by now at 300mg/week, I don’t care what his natty levels are.

He used the wrong term when writing TRT, as he explicitely said he wants to get jacked. TRT is clearly not his goal.

So let’s respect his purpose and give him the only sound advice there is: switch to another vendor, your gear is bunk.