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Michael Scally MD said:
[FWIW: I am PRO nuclear.]
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Dr. Scally, I already guessed that. Please don't take what I am writing to be directed at you - it is not. If you were anti-nuclear you would have given this a severity level 7, not the more thoughtful level 5. Watching the news the message is that the sky is falling interspersed with cooler heads with actual facts. However, I find it very interesting that those guests who tend to cry "disaster!" are seen more often than the other guests. Whatever happens, the affects will be, at worst, deadly within the vicinity of the reactor and the surrounding areas, but no more deadly than a derailed train with hazardous waste products. These stories that are starting to make their way around Facebook and the rest of the net about fallout in California are just nuts.
 
Japanese Nuclear Plants Damaged by Earthquake, Tsunami Pose No Risk to U.S., Experts Say
Japanese nuclear plants damaged by earthquake, tsunami pose no risk to U.S., experts say

ScienceDaily (Mar. 14, 2011) — Although the situation with damaged nuclear reactors in Japan is still uncertain, every hour without further incidents is good news, according to nuclear energy experts at Oregon State University. And in any case, the events pose virtually no risk to people in the United States or Canada.
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Michael Scally MD said:
Union of Concerned Scientists - Update on Japan's Nuclear Power Crisis
All Things Nuclear
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A note of caution. Check the name and tagline of the organization by visiting the site. This organization is a known left-wing agenda based group. You can't have "concerned citizens" mixed with real scientists and expect to be around long unless the "concerned scientists" told the "concerned citizens" who donate to them exactly what they want to hear. In short, mix money with ignorance and the so-called scientists will say what they have to. It's a business, not a scientific organization. And with the climategate emails, even science based organizations are not longer real science. Also, in hard physics, the same thing is happening with Superstring theory. Can't prove it, but it is gospel. Don't follow the gospel and you don't get tenure. That is not science. Lee Smolin describes this sorry state of affairs in "The Trouble with Physics". Real science is no longer practiced. It has been tainted by money and politics. There are few real evidence based scientists out there and when practice as they are supposed to - case in point, Dr. Scally - they are punished for daring to stick to actual scientific principles based on where the evidence takes them. And if you dare take on something as politically hot as global warming or steroids you had better be ready for a wave to come heading your direction to ensure any upstart does not make it too far along the road of progress.
 
Japan quake location a surprise
Biggest ruptures predicted for island's southern half
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/71281/title/Japan_quake_location_a_surprise
 
I dont see where the MOX fuel is being discussed here to any degree. This is bad. you dont want that one falling in your yard. Many are using statistics to settle this deal down and should not. This is serious and cant be understated. If that plume has Plutonium derivatives from the #3 reactor it will be UGLY for a long time. I read somewhere that a single particle inhaled is enought to render about a square cm of tissue totally damaged. This makes the uranium byproduct, the cesium, look like a baby...

To my laymans understanding, which may be incorrect. The byproducts of th plutonium burn are gong to be similar to a nuclear fission type bomb with the exception of the gamma ray burst. The particles spread will be similar to I think. Could be wrong...
 
BBC3 said:
I dont see where the MOX fuel is being discussed here to any degree. This is bad. you dont want that one falling in your yard. Many are using statistics to settle this deal down and should not. This is serious and cant be understated. If that plume has Plutonium derivatives from the #3 reactor it will be UGLY for a long time. I read somewhere that a single particle inhaled is enought to render about a square cm of tissue totally damaged. This makes the uranium byproduct, the cesium, look like a baby...

To my laymans understanding, which may be incorrect. The byproducts of th plutonium burn are gong to be similar to a nuclear fission type bomb with the exception of the gamma ray burst. The particles spread will be similar to I think. Could be wrong...
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MOX fuel stands for Mixed oxide fuel. This type of nuclear fuel contains more than one oxide of fissable material. Specifically, MOX fuel refers to a blend of plutonium and natural uranium, reprocessed uranium, or depleted uranium. For example, a mixture of 7% Pu / 93% U (Plutonium/Uranium) reacts similarly - although not identically - to low-enriched uranium fuel that most nuclear reactors were designed for. MOX fuel is an alternative to low enriched uranium (LEU) fuel used in the light water reactors that predominate nuclear power generation. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel"]MOX fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png[/ame]
 
BBC3 said:
I dont see where the MOX fuel is being discussed here to any degree. This is bad. you dont want that one falling in your yard. Many are using statistics to settle this deal down and should not. This is serious and cant be understated. If that plume has Plutonium derivatives from the #3 reactor it will be UGLY for a long time. I read somewhere that a single particle inhaled is enought to render about a square cm of tissue totally damaged. This makes the uranium byproduct, the cesium, look like a baby...

To my laymans understanding, which may be incorrect. The byproducts of th plutonium burn are gong to be similar to a nuclear fission type bomb with the exception of the gamma ray burst. The particles spread will be similar to I think. Could be wrong...
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Plutonium In Fuel Rods: Cause For Concern?
Plutonium In Fuel Rods: Cause For Concern? : NPR

Some outside experts are particularly concerned about high levels of plutonium in one of the damaged Japanese reactors. About 6 percent of the fuel rods in reactor No. 3 at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant are made from so-called "mixed-oxide" (MOX) fuel, which contains plutonium as well as uranium.
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And although plutonium is a long-lived emitter of radiation, it is also quite heavy, so it is not likely to move very far downwind from its source.
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FAMOUS LAST WORDS! WHO/WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? STAY TUNED.
 
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Here is from the article. A little relieving for us, but no really I wonder...

And although plutonium is a long-lived emitter of radiation, it is also quite heavy, so it is not likely to move very far downwind from its source.

I wonder what that really means. How fast would it bring down any debris it may be traveling on per say?? Would it really stay close to home?

I read somewhere that Chernobyl had the major explosion up into the sky because of some carbon type materials associated with their operation that do not apply here. So it looks like and barring no supprises, that the worst would be the fire created if there is a full break of even the concrete pour shell and it starts burning into the earth. Again, barring any unknowns. Why knows what they are really cooking experimentally maybe??

Regardless its no good for Japan and will spread around our planet one way or the other. You dont want that one in your lungs. I am certain that its already out there regardless due to our shitty human nature. The US, and France as of latest, detonated some many H bombs testing in the south paciific it is outrageous. At least the chinese detonate them underground. Hows that for who behaves crazier, or safer... I am sure the same isotopes have already been spread around the atmosphere and who knows how many illnesses are related to date. Many i guess.

Finally and back to the above statement that plutonium is heavy. Regardless, its the Uranium by products from the reactions that they harvest the plutonium from in the first place. So any "Standard" uranium based reactor emissions contain Plutonium in some form. Just lesser concentrations.... A bad scene indeed...

Michael Scally MD said:
Plutonium In Fuel Rods: Cause For Concern?
Plutonium In Fuel Rods: Cause For Concern? : NPR





FAMOUS LAST WORDS! WHO/WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? STAY TUNED.
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Nuke engineer: Fuel rod fire at Fukushima reactor “would be like Chernobyl on steroids”
Nuke engineer: Fuel rod fire at Fukushima reactor "would be like Chernobyl on steroids" | MyFDL


Third Japanese reactor to load MOX
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=28211

10 August 2010

Tokyo Electric Power Company's (Tepco's) Fukushima I unit 3 is set to become the third Japanese nuclear reactor to load mixed oxide (MOX) fuel after receiving approval from the governor of Fukushima Prefecture, Yukei Sato. The unit follows Kyushu Electric's Genkai 3, which started using MOX fuel in November 2009, and Shikoku's Ikata 3, which was loaded with some MOX fuel in March 2010. According to the Denki Shimbun, the 760 MWe boiling water reactor will be loaded with MOX fuel by 21 August and the unit will restart in late September. Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has so far approved the use of MOX fuel in ten reactors, but utilities must also secure approval from prefectural governments before they can go ahead and use the fuel, which contains plutonium recovered from spent nuclear fuel.
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gmerits said:
My father is a nuclear physicist who ended up practicing geophysics. This piece is right on target. What you have is a 24-hour news cycle attempting to scare the hell out of everyone for viewership and the potential death of the only real source of energy to move us towards a green energy country. How else are you going to charge up all those electric cars? The energy - and lots of it - has to come from somewhere.

William Tucker: Japan Does Not Face Another Chernobyl - WSJ.com
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I cant fuckin believe it! We agree on something. :)
This outta put the death blow to nuclear power in THIS country, if it ever had a chance after 3MI in the first place.
 
Uhhh. So assuming thats mostly hydrogen gas vented, and not the vessel, HOW HIGH DID THAT GET????

Really, so when they talk about a decision to release some pressure, they are talking about opening a normally closed and radioactive system and releasing some radioactive isotopes in exchange for the whole kettle not exploding... So the question is which was that?? Neither is good.

I am assuming the flamable hydrogen is not a component of water alone superheated...?

So now one spec of this plutonium in your lung is stated to be capable of quickly destroying a Cubic CM of tissue...!!! How much will be released before this thing stops?

While Chernobyl is criticized, there are problems here. These reactors being enclosed presents a whole different problem if you consider a stuck vent valve, or a melted water entry valve. Then how do you get water in there. THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING NOW>.. You cant even pour the "shutdown juice" on it to stop it with its own shell protecting it?!?!?! And you probably cant pour the concrete prior I am sure..... So the game now must be to allow to get exposed with no explosion and get the shutdown liquid (boron based or something like that) on it. While Chernobyl had no concrete housing to hold for a shutdown pour and this one does, but now has the casing reversed functions and serving badly? I am merely speculating.... Chernobyl was a reactor or two. Here each site houses 4-6 no to mention #3 with the Mox....!!!!!!

I am supprised the world has not stopped at this point and either helping or watching on TV.. This is bad...

And to be clear. EVERYTHIING I SAY IS MERE LAYMAN SPECULATION WITH NO BASIS.



Michael Scally MD said:
The Fukushima nuclear power plant explosion of No. 3. compared to No. 1. No. 3 contains MOX fuel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAe0jELRuT4#at=50
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