ED and low testosterone at second week of pct

[Snake_87]

Hi everyone, i need your help.
I did my first cycle of 14 weeks between november 2023 to february 2024. only test c at 500mg/week. Then after two weeks from last pin i did my PCT, hcg 2000ui eod for 3 weeks, clomid 50/50/25/25 (4weeks) and nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks). Everything was good.

Then at may 2024 i started my summer cycle for 12 weeks, test p 100mg eod, mast p 100mg eod, winstrol tablets 40mg ed just the first 4 weeks.
I waited 1 week, because of the short esters, then i started my pct, the same i did for the first cycle.

Now i am at the second week of PCT but i got erectile dysfunction....
I did bloodwork:
E2: 15 pg/ml, FSH: 1,57 mlU/ml, LH: 1,49 mlU/l, testosterone: 1,25 nmol/l.

Now i don't know how to read test value.... the range on bloodwrtok says 1,63-34... but i am not sure... maybe i am wrong, but 1,25 nmol/l should be 36ng/dl which seems very low, should be 300 at least?
Please, need some help here... What do you think? How i fix ed and how much time will it take to restore normal hormonal balance? It seems a little weird to me that hcg and clomid didn't work yet to increase testosterone levels.
Thank you so much

 

[ksm2]

You should just blast & cruise or stay off steroids. No one does PCTs anymore

 

[McLovin.]

trt would be the fastest way to restore libido just stay on test
i believe you did your pct too soon you want all the test to be out of your system before pct hcg also keeps your HPTA shut down through E2 so you kept yourself shut down while trying to pct
dont take hcg while taking clomid and nolva you can use hcg to bridge your test cycle to your pct so the duration till all exogenous test is out of your body then stop hcg and do your nolva and clomid

 

[UncleBuns]

Hi everyone, i need your help.
I did my first cycle of 14 weeks between november 2023 to february 2024. only test c at 500mg/week. Then after two weeks from last pin i did my PCT, hcg 2000ui eod for 3 weeks, clomid 50/50/25/25 (4weeks) and nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks). Everything was good.

Then at may 2024 i started my summer cycle for 12 weeks, test p 100mg eod, mast p 100mg eod, winstrol tablets 40mg ed just the first 4 weeks.
I waited 1 week, because of the short esters, then i started my pct, the same i did for the first cycle.

Now i am at the second week of PCT but i got erectile dysfunction....
I did bloodwork:
E2: 15 pg/ml, FSH: 1,57 mlU/ml, LH: 1,49 mlU/l, testosterone: 1,25 nmol/l.

Now i don't know how to read test value.... the range on bloodwrtok says 1,63-34... but i am not sure... maybe i am wrong, but 1,25 nmol/l should be 36ng/dl which seems very low, should be 300 at least?
Please, need some help here... What do you think? How i fix ed and how much time will it take to restore normal hormonal balance? It seems a little weird to me that hcg and clomid didn't work yet to increase testosterone levels.
Thank you so much

Next time run HCG throughout the cycle, the more "awake" You keep your testicles on cycle the easier it is to get them firing after.I know for PCT some people run HCG and SERM together but I think it is better to run solid dose HCG then run the SERM. If I were still doing PCT I would run solid dose HCG for for maybe 3 weeks, then one week half dose HCG + SERM, then just carry on with SERM for however many weeks you like or until blood work is looking good.

For now though, relax bro. It's only been 2 weeks. Make sure you're sleeping good and long every night, keep trainng hard, make sure you're getting enough calories and your nutrition is good, stay hydrated. and give it some more time. Stay the course and pull bloods in 3 or 4 weeks to see where you're at.

 

[Snake_87]

Thank you for your help guys, it's so appreciated.
I'm confused about hcg.... is it suppressive because it raises e2? but my e2 is just at 15 pg/ml... or is there another reason that makes hcg suppressive on hypotalamus and pituary?
In any case hcg seems is doing nothing for me, because at the second week of using it my test is at 1,25 nmol/l.... but i noticed a great increase in sperm volume when i cum...

so ok, i should stop hcg and going on with clomid 50 daily and nolva 20 daily for the next 4 weeks?

I am also confused about correct pct timing... isn't 1 week enough for test propionate to leave your system? Thank you in advance

 

[McLovin.]

so your HPTA works through a negative feedback loop based of your E2 meaning that if your body needs estrogen your HPTA starts to work and produce LH and FSH which in turn create testosterone

taking HCG means youre forcing your balls to produce testosterone which in turn gets aromatized into E2 meaning your body does not give the signal to your brain to start creating more testosterone so your HPTA stays shut down

if im wrong about any of this feel free to correct me this is how i understand the process

about the start of pct timing you want to wait till all the exogenous test is out of your body and i would even say wait till you start to feel shitty that way you're certain the test is out your body but in general i think pct is dead you do it if you want to come of test for the rest of your life else stay on

 

[Snake_87]

Thank you for explaining me.
Well i am just wondering that this negative loop doesn't happen for everyone... because when it happens, e2 should be high... but in my case e2 seems to be low... correct me if i am wrong....

 

[Alert_Custard]

For somebody cycling frequently, doing PCT does more harm than good.
You are better of going down to trt after the cycle, using HCG at around 250iu 3 times a week always, during both cycle and trt, and if one day you decide to come off for good, then do a PCT. One longer than 4 weeks, 8 or more if needed, until your own production is back.

Otherwise you are shutting yourself down, re-starting your own production for a few weeks, then shutting it down again.

 

[Snake_87]

Thank you.
I decided to quit for now, because i have new goals in my life.
Just want you guys to advice me about the fastest way to recover my endogenous test. Should i go on with clomid and nolva and nothing else? then add hcg after quitting serms?

 

[McLovin.]

Thank you.
I decided to quit for now, because i have new goals in my life.
Just want you guys to advice me about the fastest way to recover my endogenous test. Should i go on with clomid and nolva and nothing else? then add hcg after quitting serms?

bro what?? we are telling you that you are shut down you dont produce test while on hcg why would you use it again when you want to get off????
do nothing for a week till you feel like crap then do clomid or enclo with nolva for 4 weeks at least once you've done that never touch gear or hcg again

 

[Alert_Custard]

Thank you.
I decided to quit for now, because i have new goals in my life.
Just want you guys to advice me about the fastest way to recover my endogenous test. Should i go on with clomid and nolva and nothing else? then add hcg after quitting serms?

Then keep taking tamoxifen and clomid. Normal doses like 20mg and 50mg a day. Regular blood work to see how your estrogen is. If it is high add a small amount of aromasin and adjust accordingly. Give it time.

You can take cialis at like 5mg/day during that time, it will help with your cock.

I think people should think more before jumping on steroids, it is more of a lifetime commitment than something to give it a go for fun.

 

[Snake_87]

Ok ok, thank you for advices, i will go on with clomid and nolva for some week and do bloodwork... let's say every 4 weeks...

But i have another problem... already took 10mg cialis in the morning some day ago and didn't do nothing... no effect... i'm very scared these medications don't work with super low test (my test is at 1,25 nmol/l that should be around 36ng/dl... correct me if i am wrong) Opinions?

 

[Alert_Custard]

Ok ok, thank you for advices, i will go on with clomid and nolva for some week and do bloodwork... let's say every 4 weeks...

But i have another problem... also took 10mg cialis in the morning some day ago and didn't do nothing... no effect... i'm very scared these medications don't work with super low test (my test is at 1,25 nmol/l that should be around 36ng/dl... correct me if i am wrong) Opinions?

If your hormones are too far out, tadalafil or sildenafil don't work.
You just need to give it time.

How is your blood pressure?

 

[McLovin.]

I believe 20mg cialis is the "on-demand" dosage but yeah it's possible that it won't be enough to get that pekker to work

 

[Snake_87]

Thank you guys.
My blood pressure is in check... i will tray to get 20 mg cialis in the morning if there i think i will do "something" in the evening... Or do you believe there is another medication or method to get a "100% sure" erection with very low T?

usually how much time do you think it will take to restore test levels to normal values with Clomid/Nolva PCT for the next 4-6 weeks?