Elite Labs

So you lift and then log on to troll CDN? You're a passionate man. Your dedication is impressive
Yeahhhhh lmao full time troll is more like it hahahahhahha

Lol. Jumped into a new job 4-5 months ago, and went from 45hr weeks to 60-65. Not for much more money. It's interfering with my sleep and training, so I've been in talks with the previous place. Sometimes you've gotta swallow your pride :D
 
Ever since I put the new trollin' dude on ignore, the thread is cleaned up a lot more, but catching half of conversations is confusing. He seems halfway knowledgeable, but is kind of a dick. Also, he may sound knowledgeable, but I have no clue if what he was saying is true, so that makes it a little more dangerous.
 
Wait are you talking about sterilizing the glassware or the AAS in your vials? You literally just posted that AAS are thermolabile and terminal sterilization isn't an option but now you are implying that you should dry heat sterilize at 250 C for 30 minutes to destroy the endotoxins? That was for the glassware. You will destroy the hormones inside if you sterilize at that temperature so to be clear if you somehow got staph in your oil the recommended temperatures for sterilizing filled vials of 120 C would not destroy the endotoxins. So not sure what your point was.

You're right, I said gear is thermolabile and dry heat sterilization would damage the hormones. The part I responded to was when you said dry heat can't destroy the endotoxins which is incorrect. Dry heat does Destroy endotoxins. If staph and endotoxins got into the oil though you would want to use a positively charged filter membrane with a pore size of .22um or smaller bc the deactivation of endotoxins by dry heat would also damage the hormones.
 
You're right, I said gear is thermolabile and dry heat sterilization would damage the hormones. The part I responded to was when you said dry heat can't destroy the endotoxins which is incorrect. Dry heat does Destroy endotoxins. If staph and endotoxins got into the oil though you would want to use a positively charged filter membrane with a pore size of .22um or smaller bc the deactivation of endotoxins by dry heat would also damage the hormones.

I have to be honest you and colossus have brought things to my attention that I did not initially consider. Since things have become civil I'm man enough enough to admit that. Fair enough. I learned something from this.

A positively charged membrane filter would be great, but is it practical for a UGL? I'm not so sure. So let's come to a consensus. I think staph/cellulitis is one of the major concerns with AAS sure but not with brewing. I think it's a concern when it comes to your aseptic injection technique exclusively. So would you agree that for practical considerations, if you bleach and dry anything that comes into contact with your oils and filter with a .22 filter, that that is sufficient for UGL to produce a safe product?
 
I have to be honest you and colossus have brought things to my attention that I did not initially consider. Since things have become civil I'm man enough enough to admit that. Fair enough. I learned something from this.

A positively charged membrane filter would be great, but is it practical for a UGL? I'm not so sure. So let's come to a consensus. I think staph/cellulitis is one of the major concerns with AAS sure but not with brewing. I think it's a concern when it comes to your aseptic injection technique exclusively. So would you agree that for practical considerations, if you bleach and dry anything that comes into contact with your oils and filter with a .22 filter, that that is sufficient for UGL to produce a safe product?

Practicality will depend upon how far an UGL is willing to go to make the end user happy and safe. One of the guys I consulted with before starting to brew myself has a private UGL and has been in the business For years. He takes every step he can to ensure things are done right. There are probably other labs that do the same while many labs just do the minimum. I would personally prefer a lab that went above and beyond.

In his applications, Johne71 mentioned a process which included NaOH which I've also seen mentioned other places. It's a good method to help but NaOH and/or bleach alone is not sufficient for my standards. For glassware and vials I will continue to use dry heat, 500deg F for 1hr or more, until a better method becomes available that I have access to. Filtering the oil with a .22um filter is standard for sterilization. If you want to also make it pyrogen-free and have an added measure of safety, you can use a .1um filter or a charged .22um filter (although most of the charged ones I've seen are hydrophilic and made for aqueous solutions so you'll have to look for one made for oil based)
 
Practicality will depend upon how far an UGL is willing to go to make the end user happy and safe. One of the guys I consulted with before starting to brew myself has a private UGL and has been in the business For years. He takes every step he can to ensure things are done right. There are probably other labs that do the same while many labs just do the minimum. I would personally prefer a lab that went above and beyond.

In his applications, Johne71 mentioned a process which included NaOH which I've also seen mentioned other places. It's a good method to help but NaOH and/or bleach alone is not sufficient for my standards. For glassware and vials I will continue to use dry heat, 500deg F for 1hr or more, until a better method becomes available that I have access to. Filtering the oil with a .22um filter is standard for sterilization. If you want to also make it pyrogen-free and have an added measure of safety, you can use a .1um filter or a charged .22um filter (although most of the charged ones I've seen are hydrophilic and made for aqueous solutions so you'll have to look for one made for oil based)

Well, I can't protest any individual or UGL going to those measures to ensure the safety of the final product for injection. I can't. However, for practical considerations, I am interested in achieving a safe product via the most conservative practices possible. As far as I'm concerned the lengths that you could go to and precautions you could take are limitless, but at some point it would become completely impractical. The steps that you've described aren't impractical by any means, but I'm still not convinced that they are necessary. You're a smart dude, so let's up the anti a bit.

For those who don't know, the NECC fungal meningitis outbreak was a pretty big deal. A compounding pharmacy managed to pump out a bunch of injectable methylprednisolone acetate, a steroid, that resulted in 800 confirmed cases of fungal meningitis. For all intents purposes, this was basically a UGL that made a funky batch of AAS and killed quite a few people. I mean it wasn't basically that--it WAS that. They weren't licensed to make the steroids either. So what the fuck went wrong was that they cut major corners and I don't even think they tested the final product, which is perfect because UGL's don't either. Too impractical.

Anyway, these dipshits had a major black mold problem and they made steroids in a contaminated environment. Now remember how I mentioned that taking your vials out of the autoclave before you dispense your gear into them compromises sterility, and how that's a BIG fucking deal and completely fucks the chain of sterility? This is exactly why. Contaminated air. Boom. It's game over. Your shit is no longer sterile. And this is where I get to gloat a little bit. Because you know what they did to their final product? THEY AUTOCLAVED IT. yes...and I seem to recall being called a retard for suggesting that Elite used the autoclave on his finished product. Tsk tsk. But I've forgiven and forgotten. So long story short...they didn't sterilize properly in the autoclave, and their finished product was contaminated with black mold. But they DID use an autoclave, and still managed to fuck that up.

I may stand to be corrected here, but I did a little bit of digging, and I came to the conclusion that this ENITRE outbreak could have been prevented if ONE precaution had been taken, and one only: .22 micron filtration. I believe the fungal agents that caused the meningitis could have been filtered out with a .22 micron filter. I would like to point out that I have been homebrewing for 1.5 years, and the only measure of sterility I have ever taken is using a .22 micron filter, and i have never had any injection complications.

Thoughts?
 
Yall can bash but i man up when i order from a new-unproven source....@Elite_Labs got my shit quickly and packaging was secure....again, nice with a US return address instead of anything shady....hope ur shits good and unfortunately its for winter as i have my summer cycle on hand so ill be stashing it waiting on @Weston to get lab results....when i get to the gym tommorow the 66 yr old owner will do a courtesy taste test means nothing here but he can tell test the way it tastes slidin down his throat apparently. hes 3-0 with me lol...oral labmax.
 
Yall can bash but i man up when i order from a new-unproven source....@Elite_Labs got my shit quickly and packaging was secure....again, nice with a US return address instead of anything shady....hope ur shits good and unfortunately its for winter as i have my summer cycle on hand so ill be stashing it waiting on @Weston to get lab results....when i get to the gym tommorow the 66 yr old owner will do a courtesy taste test means nothing here but he can tell test the way it tastes slidin down his throat apparently. hes 3-0 with me lol...

Can he detect the taste of anything else slidin' down his throat? :D:eek:
 
Yall can bash but i man up when i order from a new-unproven source....@Elite_Labs got my shit quickly and packaging was secure....again, nice with a US return address instead of anything shady....hope ur shits good and unfortunately its for winter as i have my summer cycle on hand so ill be stashing it waiting on @Weston to get lab results....when i get to the gym tommorow the 66 yr old owner will do a courtesy taste test means nothing here but he can tell test the way it tastes slidin down his throat apparently. hes 3-0 with me lol...oral labmax.
I'll be sure to keep you posted. Hopefully fewer than 2 weeks.
 
Yall can bash but i man up when i order from a new-unproven source....@Elite_Labs got my shit quickly and packaging was secure....again, nice with a US return address instead of anything shady....hope ur shits good and unfortunately its for winter as i have my summer cycle on hand so ill be stashing it waiting on @Weston to get lab results....when i get to the gym tommorow the 66 yr old owner will do a courtesy taste test means nothing here but he can tell test the way it tastes slidin down his throat apparently. hes 3-0 with me lol...oral labmax.

Thank you sir for the update and we are glad to hear everything met your expectations. Hope to hear again from you soon.
 
Thank you sir for the update and we are glad to hear everything met your expectations. Hope to hear again from you soon.
I must say I have no complaints on him yet either!..I ordered my package it came quick and discreet.and communication is spot on with him and fast..Just because he is a new lab doesn't mean he is going to fuck over you.Every lab has to get it start somewhere..I'm with @AIRBORNE DADDY waiting for Weston to get the results on his compounds I cant start my cycle for a few weeks anyways
 
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