Emergency TRT substitute strategies (NO INJECTION)

[jankoch]

I'm on TRT for life. Its self prescribed.
I usually like to prepare for worst case scenarios.

Life can bring turmoil, such as you need to suddenly leave your country as a refugee and all you can do is grab some oral with you, or that you are in prison and can only buy the most widespread orals because injections are way harder to smuggle. Or whatever, you get the idea.

So before anyone starts: TRT is what it is, and all the options are inferior-> yes I know and I don't plan on switching to orals or else (I pin at least 3x a day and I don't mind). And don't read this topic's advices as 'ohh so I can just make the switch.

Rules: no injections, and it can be maximum combo of 2 orals. It can't be too exotic or hard to come by.

my list, it might be stupid as fuck tho:
1. Making some transdermal testosterone gel and smuggle it in as some sort of cream. Options are probably limited as it can't smell too strong.
2. Oral testosterone
3. Dianabol + proviron
4. Dianabol only

What do you think of this list? What is your list?

 

[Fattyone]

You’re fleeing your country under duress and you have time to grab your dbol and proviron but not your bottle of test?

Willing to put tabs in your prison pocket but not a vial of test?

 

[jankoch]

Yes. Its not just about grabbing. Obviously its the same time.

Vials have metal on top so a normal xray will get you busted.
You also don't just need the vial, you need to have to pin it with something, not just one. Also you need alcohol to wipe top of vial. If you are fleeing and get an infection because you needed to reuse the needle then ur cooked. Also even if you got stopped by regular police or border patrol its less chance for them to find 200 little tabs then 2 vials of test and 40 pins. Even if they find the tabs it they may just test it with some instant drug test and you will be free as it doesnt contain any. Vials and pins will definitely raise more questions.

In prison its also normal procedure that they come x time a month with a metal detector and a dog and search the room. Vial's metal will bust you.

If you think its as complicated as grabbing an oral/ gel which you need nothing else to use with then I don't know what to say.

Willing to put tabs in your prison pocket but not a vial of test?
yes. same reason

 

[Eddie.]

You have a nebido in hand and you pin in the last minute possible, 4ml spread around in 2-3 spots, sq even better to slow down further release and you have 3-4 months to come up with a new plan.

 

[jankoch]

That's a good idea.

 

[flowix]

I'm on TRT for life. Its self prescribed.
I usually like to prepare for worst case scenarios.

Life can bring turmoil, such as you need to suddenly leave your country as a refugee and all you can do is grab some oral with you, or that you are in prison and can only buy the most widespread orals because injections are way harder to smuggle. Or whatever, you get the idea.

So before anyone starts: TRT is what it is, and all the options are inferior-> yes I know and I don't plan on switching to orals or else (I pin at least 3x a day and I don't mind). And don't read this topic's advices as 'ohh so I can just make the switch.

Rules: no injections, and it can be maximum combo of 2 orals. It can't be too exotic or hard to come by.

my list, it might be stupid as fuck tho:
1. Making some transdermal testosterone gel and smuggle it in as some sort of cream. Options are probably limited as it can't smell too strong.
2. Oral testosterone
3. Dianabol + proviron
4. Dianabol only

What do you think of this list? What is your list?

enclomiphene citrate

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Test U....

Boofing

Letting nature take it's course

 

[AlexDavis43]

At this point, you're gonna be reusing the same needle many times, and no alcohol swabs? First world problems.

Also, there are examples of guys getting TRT in prison.

 

[jankoch]

enclomiphene citrate

I never had proper test levels. I was always higher end of the bottom range. I went to doctors and they tried different protocols ( hcg, nolva,clomid etc) and it didnt work. Funny thing is that they refused to give me trt afterwards.
So it would not work for me. Good idea to others.

 

[jankoch]

At this point, you're gonna be reusing the same needle many times, and no alcohol swabs? First world problems.

Also, there are examples of guys getting TRT in prison.

Reusing, yeah if you could smuggle the pins.

Trt: here they don't really give it to anyone, unless your testicles were blown off or something.

 

[phenominal34]

Don’t flee

Stay out of prison

 

[Ghoul]

Despite what the increasingly mainstream "survivalist" mindset believes, the only way to live through the kind of collapse you describe is to have advance arrangements in place and leave before it occurs.

There's a reason the wealthy are using services that arrange for second, and sometimes third passports for themselves and their families, often along with buying property in those countries so they have a foothold there in case it becomes necessary.

All the dehydrated food buckets, ammo, and TRT supplies in the world won't save you from a societal breakdown.

 

[diamondsshining]

if youre leaving the country as a refugee like fleeing a warzone then youre fucked and trt should be fairly low on priority list, more like food water and shelter

 

[jankoch]

Despite what the increasingly mainstream "survivalist" mindset believes, the only way to live through the kind of collapse you describe is to have advance arrangements in place and leave before it occurs.

There's a reason the wealthy are using services that arrange for second, and sometimes third passports for themselves and their families, often along with buying property in those countries so they have a foothold there in case it becomes necessary.

All the dehydrated food buckets, ammo, and TRT supplies in the world won't save you from a societal breakdown.

I am no "survivalist" or a prepper at all. I want only the low hanging fruits of prepping.

There are localized scenarios not just global ones.
Not every global turmoil would be a Mad Max style total societal breakdown nor Fallout. I think after we all lived during covid, I think lots of things happened we wouldn't have thought before.

As an analogy, a bulletproof vest is good investment for the foot soldier, even tho it doesnt protect when a bomb is dropped on the soldiers head but still give better chances in other scenarios with not too high cost.

 

[Ghoul]

I am no "survivalist" or a prepper at all. I want only the low hanging fruits of prepping.

There are localized scenarios not just global ones.
Not every global turmoil would be a Mad Max style total societal breakdown nor Fallout. I think after we all lived during covid, I think lots of things happened we wouldn't have thought before.

As an analogy, a bulletproof vest is good investment for the foot soldier, even tho it doesnt protect when a bomb is dropped on the soldiers head but still give better chances in other scenarios with not too high cost.

I'm not arguing against keeping several months of essential supplies on hand in case of shortages, or weapons for personal protection.

But in case of something more severe than a brief supply disruption, preparations for long term survival easily slip into fantasy. No one will be able to hold out against even a small group of armed looters for long. The first injury or illness when medical care is unavailable can easily remind us why death before 40 was commonplace until recently, no matter how well stocked you are with medicine and first aid supplies.

Even now, one of the hemisphere's wealthiest democracies, Venezuela, that had a large middle class that was the envy of the world, is collapsing under the weight of its socialist utopia. The smartest Venezuelans saw this coming long before it got anywhere near this point and established residency elsewhere just in case, even while remaining in Venezuela for years longer.

That's the kind of "prepping" that pays off for the type of situation long term "survivalists" think they're preparing for with thousands of rounds of ammo and years of food supplies.

 

[jankoch]

"That's the kind of "prepping" that pays off for the type of situation long term "survivalists" think they're preparing for with thousands of rounds of ammo and years of food supplies."

Yeah, you might need 100k+ usd to invest to get another passport. That's not feasable, only for the wealthiest. For some people, its no money tho.

What you seem to forget is everything is about chance. Does having 5k rounds and 1 year of food saves you from everything? No. Does it give you little bit higher chance of survival? Yes. Will it make you invincible? No.
Does it worth it? Thats the question. And again, thats dependant on budget and your interest. If you are wealthy and interested in prepping, whats wrong with it? Nothing. If you are broke and put your last dimes into emergency supplies,then its stupid.

You seem to cherrypick scenarios which makes your arguments stronger and 'forget' the ones that doesnt favor your args.

 

[Ghoul]

"That's the kind of "prepping" that pays off for the type of situation long term "survivalists" think they're preparing for with thousands of rounds of ammo and years of food supplies."

Yeah, you might need 100k+ usd to invest to get another passport. That's not feasable, only for the wealthiest. For some people, its no money tho.

What you seem to forget is everything is about chance. Does having 5k rounds and 1 year of food saves you from everything? No. Does it give you little bit higher chance of survival? Yes. Will it make you invincible? No.
Does it worth it? Thats the question. And again, thats dependant on budget and your interest. If you are wealthy and interested in prepping, whats wrong with it? Nothing. If you are broke and put your last dimes into emergency supplies,then its stupid.

You seem to cherrypick scenarios which makes your arguments stronger and 'forget' the ones that doesnt favor your args.

LOL, please describe a scenario in which "5000 rounds of ammo" will increase your odds of survival?

Many people qualify for second passports via hereditary at little to no cost. Even if you have "buy" residency elsewhere, it's possible with the purchase of a condo for $30k, significantly less than the price of a car. This is the problem with fantasists, it prevents them from preparing for the scenarios they envision by doing something truly effective.

Enjoy your fantasies about having shootouts requiring massive amounts of ammo. You'll be dead in 5 minutes when a dozen looters show up and they'll haul off your "year worth of food".

 

[jankoch]

"please describe a scenario in which "5000 rounds of ammo" will increase your odds of survival?"
Ammo is a currency too. Yes if a paramilitary group with 30 people and advanced weapons and armoured vehicles attack you, you will not go to far with an assault rifle and 5k rounds. Again, you are cherrypicking. There are scenarios - more than 0- which it can be between difference between life and death.

"Enjoy your fantasies about having shootouts requiring massive amounts of ammo."
I have 0 ammo.
Enjoy cherrypicking scenarios which are basically for you turmoil = the world burns down.

You need to be an idiot to dismiss all historic instances where people survived because they had a little bit better resources than the next person. Famines, civil wars etc. Nope. It only a fallout style total demoilition, nothing else can't happen. because ghoul said so.

Fleeing is always a great idea,but the chances of you are not capable doing is -AGAIN- bigger than 0. For me keeping 200 canned something at home- which I donate to homeless shelters 1 year before expiration date- is totally reasonable, as well as planning on what should I do with TRT if something happens.

"it's possible with the purchase of a condo for $30k, significantly less than the price of a car."

This just shows how biased you are. 30k is a lot of money for probably 80%+ people living on earth, more than half of them will never see that much money and you talk about it like it is like buying a new coat. Probably like 95%+ people doesnt have 30k car. Wtf