Enhanced Testing Database

readalot started pressing the matter on QSC, the biggest of the sources here. You know who will hurt the most? The niche domestic lab of some brewer turned vendor, because the cost of that testing is proportionally way bigger for him. QSC produced in mass quantities, not giving a flying fickt about floaters, when the domestic small guy took every precaution possible and checked every vial before shipping it out. In the end, the eat-dogshit-sub-par vendor gets to live on and even increase his share, while the small time vendor forced out of the market even if his product is of better quality.
BBBG and I discussed this argument at length. It was his primary concern. In the end this is nothing more than a false dilemma fallacy although you make it sound convincing.

There has never been an alternative option for buyers hence their appetites are based on what was available in the UGL market.

Why did the home brewers go that way? Because there was no alternative. Why do some people buy cheap gear? Perhaps because there's no alternative and hence why buy a vial at 30 usd when you don't think there is a way to tell if it is any better than a 10 usd vial.

How about a third option? Create a supply of gear that is floater free, tested as well as we know how to, quality stoppers, etc and price it accordingly and let the market decide? We've already heard from folks who want this "premium" option. 35 vs 30 usd per vial makes no difference to them. Let whatever premium the market will support pay to surveil the marketplace. Let all the products compete on the market. Buy domestic if you want to support domestic.

What you've done here is not so subtly say that we must do away with the enhanced testing concept because it will destroy small domestic vendors. I don't agree. Let the domestic vendors with integrity help the community by surveillance of raws, educate the community, build a database so we can answer your questions with appropriate sample sizes.

Otherwise, let's give up and admit there's nothing else to be done. Some of you are already there. And don't forget to tell @Millard to take the aspirational goals down since you already know they are impossible.
 
Last edited:
In the end, the eat-dogshit-sub-par vendor gets to live on and even increase his share, while the small time vendor forced out of the market even if his product is of better quality.
Of all your arguments, I appreciate the little-guy-getting-killed-by-regulation argument the most as it's one I make regularly when talking about regulations that may even help my own line of work at the expense of others.

That said, while there is a "pain in the ass" factor, my napkin math seems to suggest that from a cost perspective it's really a non-issue. I could homebrew my own small batches, do all the testing the Readalot wants, and still have it be cheaper than the domestic sources here who presumably are making larger batches than I, albeit smaller than a QSC. We're talking low, low single digit % on most products.

There will always be people who want to pay for a US domestic over a Chinese for finished oil. Just like you note people will always pay for cheaper, people will also always pay for US Domestic and something they feel is higher quality. While I genuinely respect the argument and sympathize with it, the testing Readalot is talking about doesn't change cost in any meaningful way. US Domestic already charges multiples of what QSC and other Chinese sources do, many at different price points than each other, this is not a needle mover.
 
I said he will test what he is paid to test and that is what he stated, that he expects more tests to be ordered so more data to be available. But being officially part/advocate of ET is something completely different ese
I'll take @janoshik at his word that when we have aggregate data every quarter that he will summarize it for the community. % pass/fail every quarter, etc.

Does that make him officially part of or advocating for ET? I don't know and I don't care. Quit your word games. He said he would provide the summary data. Am I missing something? Can I not read?

Anyway, good clarification so there are no surprises in April 2025. Narta wants the data and then argues with me in bad faith when I try to set up a mechanism to collect the data.

Everyday on MESO...
STRAW_MAN.gif
9319e-10msxqhix1wj_lsuy5gwfzg.gif
 
I'll take @janoshik at his word that when we have aggregate data every quarter that he will summarize it for the community. % pass/fail every quarter, etc.

Does that make him officially part of or advocating for ET? I don't know and I don't care. Quit your word games. He said he would provide the summary data. Am I missing something? Can I not read?

Anyway, good clarification so there are no surprises in April 2025. Narta wants the data and then argues with me in bad faith when I try to set up a mechanism to collect the data.

Everyday on MESO...
View attachment 311947
View attachment 311948
thats one of the BEST memes i've seen lately, Makes sense,,,,
 
Oh thought he never returned here after his ban. Perhaps I shall go check out SST.
He came back here as BigNoOne for a bit.

Latest exchange (below) as I try to create a dialogue for the community. I don't really care for the forum tribalism. SST and Meso seem to set themselves apart. Millard's actions speak for themselves. I could never have engaged with QSC like I did on a source board.


See my response as well.
 
I am not against the testing per se. I am against the way it has been pressed, communicated, call it what you want. I don't think that it can fundamentally change anything in an unregulated, black market. Let's say all sources test and all gear comes back with floaters. All, no exceptions. You think people will stop buying them? No. They will buy them, filter them and continue using them. Or plain relabel them and sell them, as many do. People LOVE cheap products even if they know they are sub par.

You do understand that surveillance testing on a federal regulated market is a completely different thing than surveillance testing on underground, unregulated products, yes? Pharma is required by law to conduct those tests. If they operated within the parameters of the UGL market they wouldn't give two shits about it.

readalot started pressing the matter on QSC, the biggest of the sources here. You know who will hurt the most? The niche domestic lab of some brewer turned vendor, because the cost of that testing is proportionally way bigger for him. QSC produced in mass quantities, not giving a flying fickt about floaters, when the domestic small guy took every precaution possible and checked every vial before shipping it out. In the end, the eat-dogshit-sub-par vendor gets to live on and even increase his share, while the small time vendor forced out of the market even if his product is of better quality.
Agreed with every point of this. I have been quiet overall for the past 2 days to let other people talk.

A lot of the veteran users are coming out and saying they are tired of his shit. Many of these users are calm/collected users who haven't opened their mouth much about this. They aren't just regular users, but users who have published testing and helped with harm reduction. Many of them have reduced their post counts over the past months. That has to hold some value to Millard.

Readalot is an egotistical guy who loves to hear himself talk. Therefore, any message he wants to pushout is hopeless While has been aware of the UGL market for years and has yet to discuss any products he has purchased and sent out.

I just see some man with a shitty online legacy of being banned from multiple forums and a nuisance.

I had little to no respect for him since he came here based off of his behavior and constantly loving to quote himself.

I don't think I have seen any other user quote themselves as much as he did for self glorification.
Moving forward, how should this be conducted?
He is doing to simply harass sources out of boredom and wanting to hear himself talk. All for glorification and attacking people for no reason.
Why is this any different? Am I missing / not aware of something? Genuine Q @Spaceman Spiff @narta
This is completely different. it had nothing to do with harm reduction. Why press sources and "keep score" for who donates or not?
 
This is completely different. it had nothing to do with harm reduction. Why press sources and "keep score" for who donates or not?
I honestly can't believe this keeps coming up. He pinged QSC twice, Axel once (who donated $500 for kids!!), and put one message of who donated and who didn't.

As I've said before, anyone can think he's the most annoying prick on Earth/he's an egomaniac/loves hearing his own voice/etc, but this whole charity thing is just a wild one. The reason I donated $1500 was in the hope that everyone would just swallow their nonsensical arguments about this and focus either on hating him for his personality or his enhanced testing quest, because the donation thing is truly just ridiculous.

He got $2K for kids between myself and Axel, that's worth FOUR total messages about it (2 to QSC, 1 to Axel, 1 to the donation thread about who had donated).
 
I honestly can't believe this keeps coming up. He pinged QSC twice, Axel once (who donated $500 for kids!!), and put one message of who donated and who didn't.

As I've said before, anyone can think he's the most annoying prick on Earth/he's an egomaniac/loves hearing his own voice/etc, but this whole charity thing is just a wild one. The reason I donated $1500 was in the hope that everyone would just swallow their nonsensical arguments about this and focus either on hating him for his personality or his enhanced testing quest, because the donation thing is truly just ridiculous.

He got $2K for kids between myself and Axel, that's worth FOUR total messages about it (2 to QSC, 1 to Axel, 1 to the donation thread about who had donated).
He doesn't get any points for raising money for cancer research.

It is the "keeping score" portion of this. I don't think you get this. It starts to show his real intention of all of this.

Simply for harassment? It happened among 4 posts before I made a comment of not wanting it to be about asking for tips/donations. Then he proceeds that thank someone else for starting donations. Not that I give a shit about obtaining credit for starting donation discussions.

He starts trying to play victim and say I am pulling away from the cause of what I started lol.

I have been making that comment in this online for years about donations to them as @AlexDavis43 has mentioned

It's not the actions that is annoying, it is his intent.
 
It's all there with the timelines. SS's account is a blatant smear. Evidently Spaceman knows my mind and heart. You'll take any opportunity to attempt to discredit me. Help yourself.

@Sicsemptyran: all this makes no sense to you because there is much more than $2k on the line here. I'll repeat, there no ground I can cede to satisfy the opposition. There is no compromising with them.

All this will have to run its due course. The character attack on my online history will no longer receive a response. Anyone who has a higher double digit IQ can determine the legacy of my online history. Smear away. We will see where the cards fall.

Why did I quote myself? To defend myself and this work from the nonstop, lowdown, bad faith attacks since I started speaking about enhanced testing. It's all there and easy to examine the record.

Millard can easily put a stop to me if he wants to. I sure won't come back as another account.
 
Last edited:
The character attack on my online history will no longer receive a response. Anyone who has a higher double digit IQ can determine the legacy of my online history. Smear away. We will see where the cards fall.
Oh there is no history, it current events. Even in SST you are getting stoned and you ve been there for how long?

Btw for ppl that want to know he made clear what his agenda truly is
Screenshot_2025-01-13-20-07-19-87_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.webp
Simply instigate shit in order to get ppl banned so he can reign supreme
 
Oh there is no history, it current events. Even in SST you are getting stoned and you ve been there for how long?

Btw for ppl that want to know he made clear what his agenda truly is
View attachment 311963
Why don't you show what that scumbag wrote above that post. Bringing up my wife? Show his post history since joining SST? That is phenominal34 who was banned here twice. He harassed me constantly here and part of the reason for that high post count you love to accuse me of. Man that is shitty of you to try.

To repeat:
Really shitty and selective hit job by you. Actually this will backfire.
 
Last edited:
Oh there is no history, it current events. Even in SST you are getting stoned and you ve been there for how long?

Btw for ppl that want to know he made clear what his agenda truly is
View attachment 311963
Simply instigate shit in order to get ppl banned so he can reign supreme
There's the shit:


Let me copy it out for you so you can find it:


THIS CLOWN DOES NOT ORDER UGL

HE IS A LOSER, HAS NO LIFE AND POSTS ON STEROID FORUMS DAILY 24 HRS A DAY

HOWS YOUR WIFE READALOT ? SOMEONE DEF TAKING CARE OF HER WHILE YOUR ON HERE AND MESO ALL DAY AND NIGHT


Left that part out. Didn't you?

Man you sink low.

Someone is leaving MESO. It's just a waiting game at this point.
 
Why don't you show what that scumbag wrote above that post. Bringing up my wife? Show his post history since joining SST? That is phenominal34 who was banned here twice. He harassed me constantly here and part of the reason for that high post count you love to accuse me of. Man that is shitty of you to try.

To repeat:
Really shitty and selective hit job by you. Actually this will backfire.
Your agenda is clear: you instigate, bait and cry wolf in order to get ppl banned so you can run your mouth unchecked. Even if I get banned or have @Spaceman Spiff banned, the Meso Ents have woken and know all about your shenanigans.
 
There's the shit:


Let me copy it out for you so you can find it:


THIS CLOWN DOES NOT ORDER UGL

HE IS A LOSER, HAS NO LIFE AND POSTS ON STEROID FORUMS DAILY 24 HRS A DAY

HOWS YOUR WIFE READALOT ? SOMEONE DEF TAKING CARE OF HER WHILE YOUR ON HERE AND MESO ALL DAY AND NIGHT


Left that part out. Didn't you?

Man you sink low.

Someone is leaving MESO. It's just a waiting game at this point.
You have a wife?!?!
 
Your agenda is clear: you instigate, bait and cry wolf in order to get ppl banned so you can run your mouth unchecked. Even if I get banned or have @Spaceman Spiff banned, the Meso Ents have woken and know all about your shenanigans.
Only in your head. First blood Dude. Your "team" started this shit. You are only butthurt I don't back down and won't back down.

Rewind that SourceQC thread to refresh your memory. That's where it started. Even the Admin here had to make a post at how shocking the behavior was. I just showed how full of shit many of your are. Cloaking in a harm reduction forum.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top