Failed PCT

[Eman]

I’ve had heard LH levels from one test wouldn’t be something to hold confident in.... akbeit, a few months later and low T, it’s not a surprise to see LH at normal levels trying to tell the body to produce T.

My point is that you're talking about using hcg but it doesn't look like you're responding to normal LH anyways... That's a concern.

My question is, does this change the protocol at all with clomid and nolva. Does that change how much, how long I should run, or when to get another blood test or two done?

You don't have precycle bloods, I don't have much help I can offer you... I would retest in a few weeks.

 

[GruntLife51]

My point is that you're talking about using hcg but it doesn't look like you're responding to normal LH anyways... That's a concern.



You don't have precycle bloods, I don't have much help I can offer you... I would retest in a few weeks.

I get there being no need for HCG because my LH is already normal. My thought is....could I see test start to rise slowly from LH being normal.
Will clomid and nolva help this process or FSH

 

[GruntLife51]

 

[GruntLife51]

Some arimidex might be smart to have on hand just in case? Im not worried about $ but would it be worth it to get bloods done a few weeks into PCT to see if any response.

And since my LH levels seem to be normal, should i change how i run clomid or nolva? I see in @Michael Scally MD recommendation is clomid at 100 and nolva 40 for a short while?

Alkaline phosphate was high do to zinc supplementation. Lymphs(absolute) dealing with infection. dont know if that has to do with acne that i started dealing with near end of cycle.

 

[GruntLife51]

also, what am i misunderstanding with the FSH being so low, but testicular atrophy was done away with awhile ago.

 

[kaizoku]

Not sure why everyone is saying HCG wouldn't help, it's worth a shot.

I was on TRT level test for 6 months and after my last round of PCT my LH and FSH were sky high but test was still low.

Pinned 500iu HCG EOD for ~4 weeks followed by another round of low dose Nolva/Clomid for 4 weeks and now I "feel" recovered.

Only time and another round of bloodwork (coming soon) will tell for sure though.

 

[GruntLife51]

I got real bad acne while on cycle as well, but the sides didn’t start till I’d say 16 weeks, maybe later. Many claim that clomid and others alike have caused breaking out while T didn’t. I’m kinda curious if it just isn’t the timing, but by the time PCT starts you’d be looking at just under 16 weeks.
I wonder how I would have held up on just 12 weeks another 7 till end of PCT.

I’d say the acne is minimal, mostly scarring that’s healing up. I wonder if that’s just the bacteria finally at a manageable level for my body to take care of.....or because the hormones are balanacing. I don’t know.

I’ve been doing my research over the last several months, there is a wealth of information out there, just hard trying to absorb it all and come up with a proper protocol. I ordered plenty of clomid and nolva, just didn’t wanna see myself run the PCT and still have issues then resort to trying again with HCG.

I feel like I’m coming around, the atrophy was gone 3 weeks into PCT(6weeks after last pin) I’ve had spurts here and there where sex drive was up, so was lil man etc.... but as I’ve seen doctor Scally say, only bloods truly matter because other things like stress or no stress can change these things, and the cause not actually be to the hormones.

 

[GruntLife51]

Not sure why everyone is saying HCG wouldn't help, it's worth a shot.

I was on TRT level test for 6 months and after my last round of PCT my LH and FSH were sky high but test was still low.

Pinned 500iu HCG EOD for ~4 weeks followed by another round of low dose Nolva/Clomid for 4 weeks and now I "feel" recovered.

Only time and another round of bloodwork (coming soon) will tell for sure though.

I’m not sure if I would classify under primary or secondary.

LH level are in normal range, albeit FSH is low. Would the LH and FSH levels need to be above the normal levels to kickstart the testes. I guess I would feel more at ease if I was just secondary, and happen to have a little higher LH?
from a handful of stories with bloods done, people were said to be primary from their doctors and saw results on just a lower dosage of clomid(25mg ED) for an extended amount of time. Why is this? Could they have been secondary?

Would clomid and nolva be fine and should the dosing be a typical PCT run or DR scally’s protocol, or lower dosage for extended time?