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Ayym8

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Age: 16
Height: 6'
start weight: 180 lbs
BF% at start: 16%
Been training for 2 years

current weight: 186 lbs
Current BF%: 17%

Test P Day 1-20 100mg EOD
Test E wk 1-12 500mg/Wk
Arimidex wk 3-12 .5mg EOD

PCT Nolva 100mg 1st day
Then 20/20/20/20

I'm 3 weeks in and finished my bottle of test P, I've seen increase in sex drive, strength increase,
i'm up 6 pounds but iv'e noticed that i have been putting on a fair bit of fat too. I've been eating 4000-5000 cal a day, Beef, oats, tuna, chicken.

before cycle

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Before cycle but after natty bulk:
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3 weeks in
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3 weeks in
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I haven't seen too many gains yet, it'll come in time, and ill keep everyone posted.
 
Where to start.... C'mon man, you're 16!
You had no base to build on in your before pics. If you've been training and eating right for 2 years you should have a better build natty them what you're showing in your before pics..

You obviously don't have your eating and training down, so you can't expect much from this cycle.

Now... Are you trying to kill your natural function? You're going to hear this a ton on here when everyone starts chiming in... You're too young to cycle!

Your natural test levels haven't even peaked yet.

At your age if your training and diet are on point you should be growing like a weed...and judging by your before pics, you are not on point.

Did you do pre cycle bloods to see where your levels were before starting? I'm guessing no...

If you've been lurking on Meso for over a year, you should know all of this...

Smh...so many things wrong with this
 
You are going to screw yourself up but I'm sure you don't want to listen to us old people .
When you do try and apologize for not taking our advice and maybe you'll get some help on how to fix what you have screwed up .
 
Ironlord said:
Where to start.... C'mon man, you're 16!
You had no base to build on in your before pics. If you've been training and eating right for 2 years you should have a better build natty them what you're showing in your before pics..

You obviously don't have your eating and training down, so you can't expect much from this cycle.

Now... Are you trying to kill your natural function? You're going to hear this a ton on here when everyone starts chiming in... You're too young to cycle!

Your natural test levels haven't even peaked yet.

At your age if your training and diet are on point you should be growing like a weed...and judging by your before pics, you are not on point.

Did you do pre cycle bloods to see where your levels were before starting? I'm guessing no...

If you've been lurking on Meso for over a year, you should know all of this...

Smh...so many things wrong with this
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The reason i dont appear very big in my before pictures is because when I stated lifting i was actually pretty fat, about 230 lbs, so i was obese, after a year of cutting i got down to 170, which is my weight in the first before pic, then for the next year a gained a solid 10 lbs of muscle natually.
 
Ripped said:
You are going to screw yourself up but I'm sure you don't want to listen to us old people .
When you do try and apologize for not taking our advice and maybe you'll get some help on how to fix what you have screwed up .
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I know the risks of what im doing, what im looking for is advice on how i could improve
 
Ayym8 said:
I know the risks of what im doing, what im looking for is advice on how i could improve
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I'm totally against what you're doing I just want you to know I think it is a bad decision .
I know you're probably going to do it anyway I will try and help you when I have time to log back on.
 
Ayym8 said:
The reason i dont appear very big in my before pictures is because when I stated lifting i was actually pretty fat, about 230 lbs, so i was obese, after a year of cutting i got down to 170, which is my weight in the first before pic, then for the next year a gained a solid 10 lbs of muscle natually.
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I get that, but you still should be carrying more muscle than that after two years of training - especially if you started weighing that much heavier.

The reality of this situation is that you're too young, and too inexperienced to be doing a cycle. Just like most of the young bucks that come on here thinking they know better than us vets, I'm sure you're going to do what you want.

But I again have to state that if you've been a lurker, you've had to have read many of these threads, where a young guy comes on here asking for advice, he gets it and it isnt what he wants to hear.
Then months or even years later, you'll see a thread along the lines of " help me get my natural levels back, or help, my dick doesn't work".

It seems funny to you now, but when you can't get hard anymore at 18 years old you're not going to think it's funny ,you know?

Sure, we'll try and help you, but the best help we can offer is to tell you to wait and build a better base naturally.

And... You're probably gaining fat because you're calorie intake is a bit too high... Cut back a little until you notice the gains coming, but your definition getting better.. A good rule of thumb to start is 20x your bodyweight in calories... You're well over that since your start weight was 180...you should be around 3600- then increase or decrease from there based on your results..
 
Ironlord said:
I get that, but you still should be carrying more muscle than that after two years of training - especially if you started weighing that much heavier.

The reality of this situation is that you're too young, and too inexperienced to be doing a cycle. Just like most of the young bucks that come on here thinking they know better than us vets, I'm sure you're going to do what you want.

But I again have to state that if you've been a lurker, you've had to have read many of these threads, where a young guy comes on here asking for advice, he gets it and it isnt what he wants to hear.
Then months or even years later, you'll see a thread along the lines of " help me get my natural levels back, or help, my dick doesn't work".

It seems funny to you now, but when you can't get hard anymore at 18 years old you're not going to think it's funny ,you know?

Sure, we'll try and help you, but the best help we can offer is to tell you to wait and build a better base naturally.

And... You're probably gaining fat because you're calorie intake is a bit too high... Cut back a little until you notice the gains coming, but your definition getting better.. A good rule of thumb to start is 20x your bodyweight in calories... You're well over that since your start weight was 180...you should be around 3600- then increase or decrease from there based on your results..
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One of the reasons i came up with the 4000-5000 calories number is because i work 9 hours a day in construction so i burn ALOT more calories. But if im still gaining fat then i guess im not burning as much as i think, ill give 3500-4000 a try and lower more if needed, thanks
 
I knew he would get heat for being young, and im against it as well. But if someone has their mind made up theyre going to do it, at least hes trying to do it right, reaching out to experienced people. Why not try to help, i dont think hes gonna stop befause a couple of people online disagree. Only advice i have at this point is blood work! Keep cycle short and simple.
 
Ray9 said:
I knew he would get heat for being young, and im against it as well. But if someone has their mind made up theyre going to do it, at least hes trying to do it right, reaching out to experienced people. Why not try to help, i dont think hes gonna stop befause a couple of people online disagree. Only advice i have at this point is blood work! Keep cycle short and simple.
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Okay thanks man
I never got my bloodwork done before i started, that was a mistake, should i do that as soon as possible? If i show up to the doctor and he sees my test levels are through the roof wont he catch on?
 
Ayym8 said:
Okay thanks man
I never got my bloodwork done before i started, that was a mistake, should i do that as soon as possible? If i show up to the doctor and he sees my test levels are through the roof wont he catch on?
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Im not sure about being young and having insane test levels, you might have a hard time with that. Ive never had a hard time and i dont mind the hassle if it happens. I wouldnt do it through your family doctor! I hope youve done your research on all the side effects you could face and take plenty of time off! You dont want to be losing hair at 17, with tiny balls, acne scars for life, and the test levels of a 10 year old girl. And those arent even the worst sides.
 
Ray9 said:
Im not sure about being young and having insane test levels, you might have a hard time with that. Ive never had a hard time and i dont mind the hassle if it happens. I wouldnt do it through your family doctor! I hope youve done your research on all the side effects you could face and take plenty of time off! You dont want to be losing hair at 17, with tiny balls, acne scars for life, and the test levels of a 10 year old girl. And those arent even the worst sides.
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Yeah it would just suck to have to explain to my doctor that im using steroids at 16, it wouldent be my family doctor since i live in a different city than my family
 
Come on at 16-19 I had test levels through the roof literally. I went to my doctor and ignorantly told him I wanted to more test. (Keep in mind he's a very fruity dainty old man, could barely understand stand a lick of his English) He stops right there and say "okie" walks outa the room and comes back with my hormone panels from past years and points and underlines with his pen "here" 1500ng/dl for 4 years. He drops his pen gets up and says as he walks out "you big strong boy, you work harder"
And so i did that year I did and finally broke out the 160lbs and made it to 178 which is still the heaviest I've ever been but lost it all cutting to 152 for wrestling season
So I'll leave you with this,
WORK HARDER!!!
 
Ayym8 said:
One of the reasons i came up with the 4000-5000 calories number is because i work 9 hours a day in construction so i burn ALOT more calories. But if im still gaining fat then i guess im not burning as much as i think, ill give 3500-4000 a try and lower more if needed, thanks
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This fat that you say you're noticing is probably bloat from e2 levels being off or could be from to much sodium intake there's so many variables to doing a cycle right and when you have no knowledge or experience those variables become multiple problems that you will have to deal with.

It isn't always as simple as doing test and getting big. especially at you're age because you're hormones are so volatile.
 
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