First cycle back - gainer

[TigrDickn]

Gents,

I would appreciate some advice from those of you with more experience than myself.

Background:
Have been recovering from an IED blast for the past few years, including a few major surgeries. I've been lifting and dieting for the past two years and am back up to 220 lbs from 190. I've cycled a handful of times (5) before but that was 7 years ago now. I have a TBI and as a result am on TRT at 200 mg Test E/wk, plus 500 iu HCG/week.

Goal:
Add 15 lbs of mass, increase my lifts (strength), and hopefully shed a little bf.

Me:
6'3"
220 lbs
~17% bf
Bench: 315 x1
Deadlift: 455 x1
Squat: 415 x1

Diet:
4200 kcal
Protein: 315 g
Carb: 525 g
Fats: 95 g

Training:
6 days/wk
- Shoulders/arms/cardio
- quads/back
- chest/tris/cardio
- back/bis
- hamstrings
- stretching/chest/abs/cardio

* incorporating the powerlifting matrix next week

Cycle (plan - provide input):
Dbol ?
Test E 500 mg/wk - wk 1-12
Anavar 50 mg/d - wk 1-6
Tren E 400 mg/wk - wk 1-12 *
Mast E 300 mg/wk - wk 4-12 **
Aromasin 10 mg/E3D

? Still debating the Dbol. I would appreciate some advice here. Is it mostly so guys can "feel" something while gear loads or does it truly springboard the cycle?
* Here's where I need help. I've not ran Tren before but having read reviews for a few months it seems to provide what I'm looking for. But, I'm thinking of swapping for Deca to gain. I'm not opposed to gaining less weight if I can significantly drop bf.

** I'm adding Mast for the DHT benefits (libido, slight vasculariry).

If there's an opinion to swap/add another compound, I'm wide to that. I do subscribe to the notion it's best to not overdose compounds, but I'm also aware you all know much more than me. Would EQ be a smart addition? Something else? Nothing else?

Final question: is there an issue to running T3 with this? My diet is going to be on point (wife's training for a fitness competition) and so will my cardio. I would love to lean out. It's a personal goal given my journey through recovery from my injuries.

If I missed something, let me know. Thanks for the input.

- Tigr

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

First off thank you for your service
Secondly a properly designed program on a trt dose will have you slimming down at record rates. IF YOUR DIET IS IN CHECK.
I don't understand...you seem confused here. If your gonna run all these compounds you should be focused on getting bigger. That's the great benefit of running AAS. The amount of food your body can use over non AAS users.

Semper fi

 

[TigrDickn]

Thanks for the reply and thanks for your service, too. I'm definitely not opposed to gaining at a larger scale, but I'm not as familiar with what my expectations could/would be on this cycle. If I could put on a total of 20-25 lbs, I'd be thrilled.

Any thoughts on the question areas around the compounds?

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Alot of people have trouble gaining weight on tren due to the acid reflux it causes and the increased nutrient synthesis. It'll harden you up for sure. I prefer to bulk on tren as I have no issue eating. But this experience seems fairly rare.

If you want to gain 20-25 lbs I wouldn't be interested in tren. It's likely you will not reach that. A very serious and thought out diet plan will have to be in place. Which it should be anyway. That is what will make or break you

 

[Leancuisine]

Gents,

I would appreciate some advice from those of you with more experience than myself.

Background:
Have been recovering from an IED blast for the past few years, including a few major surgeries. I've been lifting and dieting for the past two years and am back up to 220 lbs from 190. I've cycled a handful of times (5) before but that was 7 years ago now. I have a TBI and as a result am on TRT at 200 mg Test E/wk, plus 500 iu HCG/week.

Goal:
Add 15 lbs of mass, increase my lifts (strength), and hopefully shed a little bf.

Me:
6'3"
220 lbs
~17% bf
Bench: 315 x1
Deadlift: 455 x1
Squat: 415 x1

Diet:
4200 kcal
Protein: 315 g
Carb: 525 g
Fats: 95 g

Training:
6 days/wk
- Shoulders/arms/cardio
- quads/back
- chest/tris/cardio
- back/bis
- hamstrings
- stretching/chest/abs/cardio

* incorporating the powerlifting matrix next week

Cycle (plan - provide input):
Dbol ?
Test E 500 mg/wk - wk 1-12
Anavar 50 mg/d - wk 1-6
Tren E 400 mg/wk - wk 1-12 *
Mast E 300 mg/wk - wk 4-12 **
Aromasin 10 mg/E3D

? Still debating the Dbol. I would appreciate some advice here. Is it mostly so guys can "feel" something while gear loads or does it truly springboard the cycle?
* Here's where I need help. I've not ran Tren before but having read reviews for a few months it seems to provide what I'm looking for. But, I'm thinking of swapping for Deca to gain. I'm not opposed to gaining less weight if I can significantly drop bf.

** I'm adding Mast for the DHT benefits (libido, slight vasculariry).

If there's an opinion to swap/add another compound, I'm wide to that. I do subscribe to the notion it's best to not overdose compounds, but I'm also aware you all know much more than me. Would EQ be a smart addition? Something else? Nothing else?

Final question: is there an issue to running T3 with this? My diet is going to be on point (wife's training for a fitness competition) and so will my cardio. I would love to lean out. It's a personal goal given my journey through recovery from my injuries.

If I missed something, let me know. Thanks for the input.

- Tigr

Hows it going brother?
Always nice to see some vets here.

Any benefit to running the var? Seems like a lot of coin for little benefit imo.
I am going to be running a cycle with the same compounds... still on the fence about tren.

Ever read about tren and TBI's?
I've got TBI's for the same shit. Never been the same mentally ever since, so it's a bit of a gamble...

Do you have access to the acetate ester? That way you can tell faster how it works for ya, and get it out faster too. Last thing you need is to be standing in front of a judge explaining why you pulled a man out of his car window at a stop light...

 

[Ozzy619]

Gents,

I would appreciate some advice from those of you with more experience than myself.

Background:
Have been recovering from an IED blast for the past few years, including a few major surgeries. I've been lifting and dieting for the past two years and am back up to 220 lbs from 190. I've cycled a handful of times (5) before but that was 7 years ago now. I have a TBI and as a result am on TRT at 200 mg Test E/wk, plus 500 iu HCG/week.

Goal:
Add 15 lbs of mass, increase my lifts (strength), and hopefully shed a little bf.

Me:
6'3"
220 lbs
~17% bf
Bench: 315 x1
Deadlift: 455 x1
Squat: 415 x1

Diet:
4200 kcal
Protein: 315 g
Carb: 525 g
Fats: 95 g

Training:
6 days/wk
- Shoulders/arms/cardio
- quads/back
- chest/tris/cardio
- back/bis
- hamstrings
- stretching/chest/abs/cardio

* incorporating the powerlifting matrix next week

Cycle (plan - provide input):
Dbol ?
Test E 500 mg/wk - wk 1-12
Anavar 50 mg/d - wk 1-6
Tren E 400 mg/wk - wk 1-12 *
Mast E 300 mg/wk - wk 4-12 **
Aromasin 10 mg/E3D

? Still debating the Dbol. I would appreciate some advice here. Is it mostly so guys can "feel" something while gear loads or does it truly springboard the cycle?
* Here's where I need help. I've not ran Tren before but having read reviews for a few months it seems to provide what I'm looking for. But, I'm thinking of swapping for Deca to gain. I'm not opposed to gaining less weight if I can significantly drop bf.

** I'm adding Mast for the DHT benefits (libido, slight vasculariry).

If there's an opinion to swap/add another compound, I'm wide to that. I do subscribe to the notion it's best to not overdose compounds, but I'm also aware you all know much more than me. Would EQ be a smart addition? Something else? Nothing else?

Final question: is there an issue to running T3 with this? My diet is going to be on point (wife's training for a fitness competition) and so will my cardio. I would love to lean out. It's a personal goal given my journey through recovery from my injuries.

If I missed something, let me know. Thanks for the input.

- Tigr

Since you haven't cycled in 7 years I would stick to 500mgs a week of Test. If you really wanted to run an oral I'd say oral turinabol is my favorite for several reasons. But for now you can stick to just Test imo.

 

[TigrDickn]

Hows it going brother?
Always nice to see some vets here.

Any benefit to running the var? Seems like a lot of coin for little benefit imo.
I am going to be running a cycle with the same compounds... still on the fence about tren.

Ever read about tren and TBI's?
I've got TBI's for the same shit. Never been the same mentally ever since, so it's a bit of a gamble...

Do you have access to the acetate ester? That way you can tell faster how it works for ya, and get it out faster too. Last thing you need is to be standing in front of a judge explaining why you pulled a man out of his car window at a stop light...

I have the var on hand. I was originally going to just add it to my TRT protocol, but then decided to run a full cycle. And I'm thinking of grabbing some Test A for the reason you mentioned (sides). Your stop light example convinced me. Ha.

And I haven't read much on Tren and TBIs, but I'll see what literature exists. Thanks for the input, and thanks for your service, too. It's always refreshing to run into vets with similar circumstances.

 

[TigrDickn]

Since you haven't cycled in 7 years I would stick to 500mgs a week of Test. If you really wanted to run an oral I'd say oral turinabol is my favorite for several reasons. But for now you can stick to just Test imo.

Ozzy, thanks for the input. I've thought about doing what you said (and still might to that), but I'm wanting to firm up a little more. From your experience, would I be able to firm up as I gain with your recommended cycle? I don't mean get competition shredded, but in this first cycle I want to gain a little and somewhat 'reset' my physique by losing some bf and become more solid.

 

[Ozzy619]

Ozzy, thanks for the input. I've thought about doing what you said (and still might to that), but I'm wanting to firm up a little more. From your experience, would I be able to firm up as I gain with your recommended cycle? I don't mean get competition shredded, but in this first cycle I want to gain a little and somewhat 'reset' my physique by losing some bf and become more solid.

I wouldn't rely on any compound to recomp. I'd say it's 70% diet, 20% training and 10% gear. If everything is on point you should see a noticeable difference but don't expect miracles, it takes time.

 

[Leancuisine]

70% diet, 20% training and 10% gear.

100% reason to remember the name

I've always thought it should be 100% dedication to it all. Stay true to your diet and walk into the gym everyday with 100% intensity.

 

[Ozzy619]

100% reason to remember the name

I've always thought it should be 100% dedication to it all. Stay true to your diet and walk into the gym everyday with 100% intensity.

Lots of dudes expect miracles and don't put in the work. It's the best when we get a female that doesn't workout that asks about var as a weight loss drug.

 

[Leancuisine]

Lots of dudes expect miracles and don't put in the work. It's the best when we get a female that doesn't workout that asks about var as a weight loss drug.

And plays golf, right?

 

[TigrDickn]

100% reason to remember the name

I've always thought it should be 100% dedication to it all. Stay true to your diet and walk into the gym everyday with 100% intensity.

So you're saying that my two sets of 1-rep max on the bench isn't cutting it? I've been wasting my life!

 

[TigrDickn]

Lots of dudes expect miracles and don't put in the work. It's the best when we get a female that doesn't workout that asks about var as a weight loss drug.

Definitely not expecting miracles, only wanting to maximize my efforts and push myself. It's been a long road of recovery from the surgeries (spine and knee) and I'm more than ready to get back to old form.

 

[Ozzy619]

Definitely not expecting miracles, only wanting to maximize my efforts and push myself. It's been a long road of recovery from the surgeries (spine and knee) and I'm more than ready to get back to old form.

Sorry I wasn't referring to you it was a general comment.

 

[TigrDickn]

Gotcha. If read these boards on and off for the past several years and I'm amazed at the questions posed here. 80% of the time isn't something easily found in a basic Internet search. Other times it's guys wanting to drop 2g of test and 3G of EQ on a first cycle and be "bro's". It's sad really..

 

[Big_paul]

Gents,

I would appreciate some advice from those of you with more experience than myself.

Background:
Have been recovering from an IED blast for the past few years, including a few major surgeries. I've been lifting and dieting for the past two years and am back up to 220 lbs from 190. I've cycled a handful of times (5) before but that was 7 years ago now. I have a TBI and as a result am on TRT at 200 mg Test E/wk, plus 500 iu HCG/week.

Goal:
Add 15 lbs of mass, increase my lifts (strength), and hopefully shed a little bf.

Me:
6'3"
220 lbs
~17% bf
Bench: 315 x1
Deadlift: 455 x1
Squat: 415 x1

Diet:
4200 kcal
Protein: 315 g
Carb: 525 g
Fats: 95 g

Training:
6 days/wk
- Shoulders/arms/cardio
- quads/back
- chest/tris/cardio
- back/bis
- hamstrings
- stretching/chest/abs/cardio

* incorporating the powerlifting matrix next week

Cycle (plan - provide input):
Dbol ?
Test E 500 mg/wk - wk 1-12
Anavar 50 mg/d - wk 1-6
Tren E 400 mg/wk - wk 1-12 *
Mast E 300 mg/wk - wk 4-12 **
Aromasin 10 mg/E3D

? Still debating the Dbol. I would appreciate some advice here. Is it mostly so guys can "feel" something while gear loads or does it truly springboard the cycle?
* Here's where I need help. I've not ran Tren before but having read reviews for a few months it seems to provide what I'm looking for. But, I'm thinking of swapping for Deca to gain. I'm not opposed to gaining less weight if I can significantly drop bf.

** I'm adding Mast for the DHT benefits (libido, slight vasculariry).

If there's an opinion to swap/add another compound, I'm wide to that. I do subscribe to the notion it's best to not overdose compounds, but I'm also aware you all know much more than me. Would EQ be a smart addition? Something else? Nothing else?

Final question: is there an issue to running T3 with this? My diet is going to be on point (wife's training for a fitness competition) and so will my cardio. I would love to lean out. It's a personal goal given my journey through recovery from my injuries.

If I missed something, let me know. Thanks for the input.

- Tigr

At 17% bf save your money. use tren later, same with mast.

Use test and deca. You will increase lbm which will help in dropping bf.
Get in lots of cardio brother.

Good luck

 

[TigrDickn]

At 17% bf save your money. use tren later, same with mast.

Use test and deca. You will increase lbm which will help in dropping bf.
Get in lots of cardio brother.

Good luck

Thanks for the advice. I'll look into switching up the cycle this go round.

 

[TigrDickn]

At 17% bf save your money. use tren later, same with mast.

Use test and deca. You will increase lbm which will help in dropping bf.
Get in lots of cardio brother.

Good luck

Regarding your recommendation, what would be a solid Deca stack? Test and Deca alone, or another compound as well? And at what doses? Plus, would I only run an AI to mitigate estrogen with Deca or another preventative measure for progesterone?

I'm thinking seriously of taking your advice at this point, but I would like to hear more on an actual cycle.