First cycle - deca & sustanon

[azhar89]

Hi All,

I am 24 years old healthy male. I have been training for the last 2 years.
I have not taken much of supplements as I have always found it hard for digestion.

I have been advised by my trainer to go for a four week cycle of Deca & Sustanon (twice a week) followed by a two week PCT of Winstrol & Sustanon.

Also, 2 tablets of D-bol everyday of training. I train 5-6 days a week and weigh 170lbs.

I have the following questions:
(1) What side effects would I have with such a cycle? I have never used steroids before. I would not like it to have a negative impact on my health (Long term & Short term)
(2) After the completion of this cycle, I wish to start supplements. Would I lose out on the gains?

Your feedback will be highly valued.

 

[GigaloRob]

Step 1 fire your trainer. Step 2 research a proper first steroid cycle. Step 3 fire your trainer again. I don't even have words for that pct.

 

[skofan]

very long esters, very short cycle, and a pct that isnt a pct.

simply explained.
first off, nandrolone decanoate is a very long ester, meaning it will take long for effects to begin. deca is also very rough to recover from, has some rather annoying side effects, and should NOT be used for a first cycle.
sustanon is a testosterone blend, also containing a very long ester, testosterone undecanoate if memory serves me right, and will take a long time to clear your system, just like deca. also, sustanon is testosterone, an anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS), it will supress your natural testosterone production.
PCT (post cycle therapy) has the goal of restarting your natural testosterone produuction, this is not done by supressing it further. its done by using serms and sometimes also HCG. also for PCT to have the desired effect, you need to wait until sufficient amounts of aas has left your system before you start it. sufficient meaning that there's so little left, that your bodys natuaral production wont be supressed while you trying to restart it.
dbol... it aromatises a LOT, so does testosterone, and yet you have no mention of serm's (selective estrogen receptor modulator) or an AI (aromatase inhibitor).
winny, dont even know where to go with that, havent done any, but i know for sure it isnt for first timers with all the side effect stories ive heard.
then there's your supplements, unless you basically eat meat all the time while you're awake, you NEED protein shakes while on cycle to get full benefits from it. and bullshit on the indigestion, switch to a brand that doesnt use as much starch in their mix.
and then there's the trainer, advising you to do roids at 24/170, and with a weird ass cycle as this...

 

[BigSha]

I am still trying to digest that post ... Your trainer must be insane man or completely no idea of steroids . What skofan said . Of you do a short cycle to for 6-8 weeks of testosterone propionate or phenyl propionate with some clomid and / or nolva for pct . Starting a week after your last shot . Cheers

 

[azhar89]

Thank you for your feedback guys! Much appreciated

Few more questions for you guys. I am new to this forum. Hence the questions. I may be sounding stupid though...

1) Can I start off with Deca + Sustanon cycle?
2) What side effects can I expect? And after completion of this cycle, will I lose my gains?

Thank you all in advance.

 

[Gunrunner]

Your trainer is a fuckin idiot who doesn't know the first thing about cycles or PCT. You need to take responsibilty for yourself and research and learn about proper cycles. You can search the forums and see what others have done and what is tried and proven to be effective. I suggest you do this and then lay out your plan and we can help you from there.

 

[azhar89]

Thank you guys !!

 

[Gunrunner]

Thank you for your feedback guys! Much appreciated

Few more questions for you guys. I am new to this forum. Hence the questions. I may be sounding stupid though...

1) Can I start off with Deca + Sustanon cycle?
2) What side effects can I expect? And after completion of this cycle, will I lose my gains?

Thank you all in advance.

1) You can start with Deca+Sustanon, but then again you could just poke yourself in the eye with a pencil. I don't recommend either.
2)Water Retention, Acne, Possiblly grow tits, high blood pressure. Are your prepared to deal with these sides?
With proper PCT (which you don't have!!!!) you can keep a fair amount of the gains.

 

[BigSha]

Dude ! You are not a little kid ! When I started doing steroids I had no fuckin idea ( bad ) but i trusted and i knew that the guy who actually was helping me for a wholeyear in the gym knows what he was doing . In you case : I dont know what do you train even , google it ! Research ! Every question you have - in internet and on the forums are the answers .Anabolics are serious things to look at seriousy . Research about how you have to eat , train . Supplements ... I take Why protein and preworkout kreatin , nothing else . I dont see the difference when i was spending 100 $ a month on supps and now . I was young and i actually belived that all the pumped and big muscle guys got the body they have cause of drinking the bcaa , creatine ethyl esther . l argine and all the other crap .

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Gunrunner:

I am just saying, WTF!

 

[TaoPhD]

Haha dat ass

 

[worldchamp220]

your trainer is a fuckin idiot who doesn't know the first thing about cycles or pct. You need to take responsibilty for yourself and research and learn about proper cycles. You can search the forums and see what others have done and what is tried and proven to be effective. I suggest you do this and then lay out your plan and we can help you from there.

i will give this a huge second fire that dumb ass and not to mention train your ass off for three more years than go on gear your young dude you will make huge gains in the mean time do some research.

 

[man muscle]

I'm new to this myself and wont to kick your trainers ass !! What a fucking asshole ! I can't stand thous trainers who think they know everything just because they memorized and past some test online...his he's probably not even in shape and fat !! Stupid mother fucker !! I'd get his ass fired saying he recommended steroids to you...just so he can't go and fuck up another poor kid ! Glad u came to this form kid...that would has sucked..

 

[MrSlate]

As previously stated fire that dumb ass trainer. Then read and study everything there is to know about these compounds your going to put into you. I was your age when I did my first cycle and didn't have these resources at my disposal. Well needless to say I shut myself down.

 

[Dr JIM]

DOC with that post you have revealed your obsession with a certain part of female anatomy.

Fella your a "butt" man and not just any kind of "butt" will suit your billing.

Nope it's GOTTA BE "a well developed and well nourished" ass of the athletic sort!

However rest assured your NOT alone.

DAMN that's one gorgeous ass!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

OP so your "trainer" suggested as a 23 year old your first cycle should be FOUR weeks of Deca, Sustanon with a sprinkling of D-Bol?

FIND ANOTHER TRAINER. because this one's got a few rocks in his head!!

 

[Bucky]

followed by a two week PCT of Winstrol & Sustanon.

 

[MisterBiggins]

Just my view on 20 years of using... Just run one thing for starters(test cup,or enantate). Prop is great but its fast and you'll be doing it eod which for a newbie will bother you. Forget the blockers unless you feel the sides... I know there are plenty of books that talk about the need for blockers and pct... but your young and new so your receptors are fresh and a cc Moday-Weds-Fri won't cause damage. When the one compound stops working as well hence your gains stop then you switch... after that and only when you've moved it around a bit do you want to add orals and hopefully you'll never need to use orals and a few oils to get where you want to be. And unless your getting paid for it don't waist your money on hgh/slin... If your going to compete and get paid thats different. Don't waste a ton of $$ and time if your not getting paid...if all you want is a summer body to get chicks don't even go there because you don't need too period.

 

[jc texas]

Im 38 i want start my firts cycle whit sustanon and deca for 12 weeks im 212 and 20%body fat

 

[rogerids]

Hi All,

I am 24 years old healthy male. I have been training for the last 2 years.
I have not taken much of supplements as I have always found it hard for digestion.

I have been advised by my trainer to go for a four week cycle of Deca & Sustanon (twice a week) followed by a two week PCT of Winstrol & Sustanon.

Also, 2 tablets of D-bol everyday of training. I train 5-6 days a week and weigh 170lbs.

I have the following questions:
(1) What side effects would I have with such a cycle? I have never used steroids before. I would not like it to have a negative impact on my health (Long term & Short term)
(2) After the completion of this cycle, I wish to start supplements. Would I lose out on the gains?

Your feedback will be highly valued.

first off....do you even have a source??? maybe your trainer's gonna sell you that homemade shit...sus 250 10 ml for $150, deca 300mg $160 vial???? hahahha..
come on bud, I'm also about to start my first cycle.....but the thing is, now I know what imma take, side effects, dosages, what a PCT is (sarm's, ai, HCG) and of course I know that winni and sus are not for PCT, they might be used for cut but, I doubt it.....I've been reading for at least 6 months (which I think it's a short period of time).....also I bought this book Anabolic 10th edition (super useful and easy to understand) dude really don't make mama cry and do your homework before going to the black side.....